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Hi,

Ok, Is the laddertail a legit morph? I haven't seen it on any morph list. Has it been proven to be anything more than an anomaly?

Thanks,
Amie

I can't say but I do like em:

Pastel CBLT 2003, her colors are amazing:

Also have a 2004 male CBLT het Coral Albino recently in, don't have any pics yet, he's in shed

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB, selectively bred from good stock)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
11.24 BRB
10.16 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

Nope ! and neither are the Circle backs !
This stuff was around 25 years ago,its a pity people "pay" into the BS.
Sad part is the internet resources we have today dont tell the tale of the "Old School" Days.(very solid clues though)
24k gold plated turd is still a turd right ? no difference.....

M/

Thanks,

I didn't think it was an inheritable trait. I just wasn't sure....I have a cool little Nicaraguan with a laddertail and freaky eyes, that I'll try to get pictures of this weekend.

Amie

Freaky Eyes would be a cool morph LOL!!

M/

>>Thanks,
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>>I didn't think it was an inheritable trait. I just wasn't sure....I have a cool little Nicaraguan with a laddertail and freaky eyes, that I'll try to get pictures of this weekend.
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>>Amie

yes .Pete kahl has some he proved ressive.that line came from england i think.
mike

The ones Peter has are called squaretails,and it IS genetic.Unfortunatly people label there laddertail/circle backs as Squaretails.I am working with this morph and should produce some nice Squares this year,the pair are also het albino.
Also,we have a line that DOES produce laddertails and reverse stripes(pics).
Some ladders can be genetic,but the only way to know is to breed them.
Mike

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe that the squaretail has been completely proven yet. They have not bred a "het" to a squaretail yet, or done any het to het breedings, that I am aware of. The only breedings that have been done that have produced visible squaretails are sister to brother breedings, and of coarse the original parents in Germany, and not all of them show the squaretail pattern. They all seem to have outstanding color though. It is a very interesting and exciting project for sure. We have recently aquired a squaretail in the hopes that it will prove out completely. They are beautiful animals and when fully expressed, one of my personal favorite boas. They have color, contrast, and symmetry, what more could you want.

Kathy

It is a simple recessive.
Thanks,
Mike

Who finished proving this out? Last I had heard, that was the ASSUMPTION, but the last breedings to prove it had not been done yet or had slugged out. What do you know that I don't... Time to share! I'm not being a wise guy here, I really want to know. I have time and resources invested and would like to have the whole story.

Thanks,
Kathy

Right off of Peter Kahl's site........Peter must know SOMETHING about this, I don't think he'd mislead any of us by selling hets and stating that the squaretail is simple recessive. I'll quiz Peter when I talk to him next.

Tracy

Common Name: Squaretail Boa
Scientific Name: b.c. imperator

Morph: squaretail / euro pastel

Genetics: simple recessive

I spoke with them at Daytona, and as of yet, the final breedings of a het to het, and a het to Squaretail have NOT been done by them. I believe they are doing that this coming season. I was also under the impression the ones in Germany slugged out. Now I could be wrong about that one, I am just repeating what I heard. When it did not turn out to be dominant like every one first thought it would, a few years ago, it was then ASSUMED to be recessive, and somewhat proven by the production of Squares from breeding siblings together, but like I said, the het to het breedings have not been done yet to produce visable squaretails. So in my book, it still has not been COMPLETELY proven, just assumed that it will prove out. They were only first produced in Germany in '02 so there has not been enough time to do ALL the breedings to finish proving it out.

If you find out something other than this, Please let me know.
Like I said, I really am interested in finding out if anyone has successfully bred a het to het or even a het to squaretail.

Kathy

I'm gonna be trying with my DH squares in a few months. Cross my fingers!

Tracy

Its on his website like that,selling hets and labeling it a simple recessive????? He also had that wrote on the top of his display cases last year in Daytona.Maybe it is that ovious that its going to be recessive or Pete knows something we don't.We will find out soon.Thanks for pointing this out to me,I had figured that it was Recessive because I seen it labeled that.So I stand corrected!
Mike

I have my fingers crossed as well!
I have been following this project since '02 when they first showed up, I think even before Pete bought his. I tried to get some in '03 but Pete bought the whole clutch, or so the story goes. Then the first breedings of Squaretail to normal didn't produce a visible morph, boy was I bummed. I have been sitting back and waiting ever since. Like I said further up in this thread these are one of my personal favorite "looks" in a boa.

Kathy

Them and Jungles are the favs.But if all works well,we might even produce an albino Square.That will probably be the most colorful albino to date,as Bill Park's keeps telling me.Even some of the hets we have are just unreal,you know something is going on with them.
Although they have done square to square and squares come out of the litter,so that was my whole reason in the first place to say that there laddertails are genetic in most cases.I was just giving this thread some info.Not to be a jerk but I think someone was trying to pick something with me(I think I kwow why).I did not mention hets of any sorts.I simply said the squares have genetic laddertails in most cases,wich is true!!! thats all I said,
Mike

I really hope that you don't think I was being a jerk or trying to pick something. That was NEVER ever my intention. If I came accross that way I am very sorry.

Yes, there are some laddertails that are genetic, including the squaretails, in a square to square breeding, you are 100%correct.

The tread did kind of get hijacked into a discussion about the squaretails and the "hets" and not just about laddertails. I am sorry. I just know that a lot of people are kind of confused about the whole squaretail thing and its genetics. I know I was totally shocked when they got labled recessive, for reasons stated earlier in this tread. Science is science, and the rest is assumptions. I was only trying to find out if you knew something I didn't, and to share what I know. I was really hoping for new info on that project.

The squaretails do have that extra color boost that is not "recessive", and will make outstanding albinos regardless of whether or not the pattern proves.

Good luck with your breedings!
I hope we are good!

Kathy

I was curious how the squaretail played into this too....funny that it's been mentioned.
Here's a few pictures of my little nic. She is tiny and my camera is terrible at close up shots (even on the macro setting)

Amie
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Tail shot. Her tail ends in an exclaimtion point.
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I tried to get some good eyeshots but she keeps coming up to the camera. I know that this is a little fuzzy but you can see how light the color is on the top of her eye. I was trying to catch the greenish tint. You can see how light her eyes are in the full body shot posted above.
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