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I dont know how hybrids work and I dont know the genes of a creamsicle... amel ???

Thanks for any help!
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Nicole Gustafson
Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt

>I dont know how hybrids work and I dont know the genes of a creamsicle... amel ???

Creamsicles are amelanistic snakes derived from crossbreeds of corn snakes and Great Plains rat snakes. The amelanistic mutant came from the corn snake side. It is recessive to the GP rat's equivalent of the corn snake's normal allele.

Paul Hollander

so, are you saying that if you took a creamsicle x corn het amel, you would get the same thing as you do in corns?? (50% het amel, 50% amel?)
So is it the same thing, and if so, how are people selling "het creamsicles"?

You dont have to keep answering these questions!! You've done enough already. Feel free to just quit and I wont be offended.

Nicole
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Nicole Gustafson
Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt

>so, are you saying that if you took a creamsicle x corn het amel, you would get the same thing as you do in corns?? (50% het amel, 50% amel?)

You got it.

>So is it the same thing, and if so, how are people selling "het creamsicles"?

A creamsicle is not the same as an amelanistic corn. As I wrote earlier, the creamsicle is derived from a Great Plains rat snake x corn snake cross. The Great Plains rat and corn are either different subspecies or different but closely related species, depending on who you talk to. The amelanistic mutant gene came from the corn snakes side. AFAIK, the aim was to produce a more yellow rather than red amelanistic snake.

A "het creamsicle" could be heterozygous for amelanistic. Or it could be from a Great Plains rat x corn cross that was mated to a corn. As creamsicles aren't my bag, I haven't paid much attention to how they are described. That's a question to ask the breeder.

I see on the other thread that you learned genetics from Reptimania. IMHO, it's not the best genetics site. I think both ballpython.com and serpwidgits.com have better stuff. Not that I consider either perfect. 8-)

A week ago I e-mailed reptimania with some constructive (I hope) criticism. No e-mail response yet, and I haven't been on that site since Friday. Have to check it soon to see if there have been changes.

OTOH, you have learned to do 3 locus Punnett squares from Reptimania. That is not a small accomplishment.

+ + + This line is a test to see if three plus symbols post.

Paul Hollander

I will gladly check out the other sites you listed.
Thank you very much for taking the time......

happy herping!

Take care,
Nicole
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Nicole Gustafson
Coal's Constrictors (formerly Coal's Cold-Blooded Creations - changed to simplify and there is another 'Cold Blooded Creations'...I'm not trying to hide from anyone or anything!
Cook Minnesota

BOAS:
Gavin, Lydia, Hailee, and Jade ~ Dumeril's
Wyatt, Sheena, Shaylee, and Mary Jane ~ Columbian
Desdemona ~ Peruvian
Madeline ~ Surinam
Avery ~ Bolivian

CORNS:
Kiana and Sierra ~ Amel
Casper and Kissa ~ Anery
Tripp and Scarlet ~ Bloodred
Aidan ~ Ghost
Skylar ~ Anery Hurricane
Ariel ~ Striped Amel
Lily ~ Blizzard
Ambur ~ Creamsicle
Neva ~ Snow
Sage ~ Normal

BEARDED DRAGONS:
Divine ~ Silver Pastel
Christopher ~ Sandfire Red x Sandfire Yellow
Baby ~ Snow

CAT:
Morgan ~ Calico Tabby

DOGS:
Maximillion Vasco von Katzel and Len-Mar-'s Lexed Leas ~ AKC German Shepherds

HORSES:
Mateo ~ Palomino Paint Quarter Gelding
Chic ~ 3/4 Quarter 1/4 Arabian Bay Mare
Rayna ~ 7/8 Quarter 1/8 Arabian Palomino Filly
Dallas ~ Palomino Quarter Gelding
Banner ~ Red Dun Quarter Mare
Chance ~ Buckskin Dun Quarter Stud Colt