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I went to my local petshop and they had a very pretty little female striped pastel that I was about to snatch up. The lady there showed me that she had a kink in her tail though. It feels like a deformity to the spine right above and before her opening. Off looks alone, I would get her but I really wanted to be able to breed her as she is very pretty. I know most say it wont affect breeding as long as it is after the birthing canal, but again this is on top along the spine and is just before. The whole body itself is not kinked but it feels like the spine just bulges up for a moment and then returns to normal. the lady says he eats fine. does anybody think that she would still be breedable or should I forgo this one.... Jon
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1.1.1 breeding pair blue tongue skinks w/ juv. offspring
1.0.0 Juv. Albino Bullfrog
0.0.2 Giant Pixie Frog (one juv. and one adult)
1.1.0 Clawed frogs
1.1.0 Albino Clawed frogs
0.0.1 Superlight juv Sulcatta
0.0.2 Fly river turtles
0.0.2 Savannah Monitors (one pastel)
0.2.0 juv pastel Columbian boas
1.1.0 monster pink pastel columbian boas
1.2.0 Hypo Hog boas
1.0.0 Hypo boa
1.1.0 Hypo boa babies, Poss. DH sunglow
0.2.0 Hypo poss. DH sunglow
1.0.0 Coral albino boa (my baby)
and
1.2.0 Pomeranians (the wifes babies)

I personally would pass on it if you want to pick it up for breeding. There are always more nice snakes out there, so why start out with a deformed snake as a breeder? If you just like how it looks and want it as a pet then by all means, if its eatting...

But like I said, why shoulg your breeders be anything but perfect?
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- Mike Fourquet

CLOACA HERPS

Posted by: Fourquet at Sat Sep 16 17:59:36 2006
I personally would pass on it if you want to pick it up for breeding. There are always more nice snakes out there, so why start out with a deformed snake as a breeder? If you just like how it looks and want it as a pet then by all means, if its eatting...
But like I said, why shoulg your breeders be anything but perfect?
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QFT. I agree completely on this one. Don't buy an animal with deformities for the hopes of using it in breeding stock, but definitely get it as a pet if you like it that much.
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Randall L Turner Jr.
Boas make the world go round.

I agree with the other 2 posters as I know I want all my breeders to be top notch animals in both looks and health. I also agree that every breeder/keeper has to have that one snake that is a pet and nothing else which is why I have a lone 7ft female columbian boa. she's nothing spectacular but she's got tons of personality and actually interacts when out not like my ball pythons that do 1 of 3 things, ball up, sit still or strike constantly.

On another note. When I first got into breeding snakes back in the 90's I made a trip to a breeders place (with-holding name so don't ask) to pick out some tiger retics. This person also bred boa's and balls and he showed me some of his breeding stock and I was shocked. Boa's with no eyes at all, boa's that were kinked so bad you wouldn't think they could crawl much less breed, ball's that were just as kinked. He told me that as long as they could eat, digest, and pass their food that there was no reason to not breed them and that almost all of his deformed breeders sired or layed perfect litters and clutches as long as it was bred to an animal from different blood. To this day I don't believe him but he's made a pretty good living with snakes and still produces stunning animals.

I do not agree with his practices nor will we ever follow them but I think it's foolish for us small timers to think that when some of these huge breeders produce an animal that has a small kink or deformity that they just freeze them automatically instead of keeping it on the down low and use it as a future breeder.
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of female holdbacks and several rescue normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

All to True !
Theres some quality stuff "alive today" that wouldnt be if this practice hadnt accured.Many people should be greatful for it.(and are).

M/

>>On another note. When I first got into breeding snakes back in the 90's I made a trip to a breeders place (with-holding name so don't ask) to pick out some tiger retics. This person also bred boa's and balls and he showed me some of his breeding stock and I was shocked. Boa's with no eyes at all, boa's that were kinked so bad you wouldn't think they could crawl much less breed, ball's that were just as kinked. He told me that as long as they could eat, digest, and pass their food that there was no reason to not breed them and that almost all of his deformed breeders sired or layed perfect litters and clutches as long as it was bred to an animal from different blood. To this day I don't believe him but he's made a pretty good living with snakes and still produces stunning animals.
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>>I do not agree with his practices nor will we ever follow them but I think it's foolish for us small timers to think that when some of these huge breeders produce an animal that has a small kink or deformity that they just freeze them automatically instead of keeping it on the down low and use it as a future breeder.
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>>Josh & Krysty Hutto
>>J&K Reptiles
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>>Various Ball Pythons:::
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>>1.0 striped vanilla
>>1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
>>1.2 Albino and hets
>>2.3 het Pied
>>1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
>>a bunch of female holdbacks and several rescue normal males
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>>0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
>> over production of rats, lol
>>0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
>>1.1 corns
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>>a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

I am still thinking about getting her but just as a pet. She caught my eye immediately and I thought would be a great breeder. its a shame to not pass on that beauty but oh well. thanks for the replies.... Jon
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1.1.1 breeding pair blue tongue skinks w/ juv. offspring
1.0.0 Juv. Albino Bullfrog
0.0.2 Giant Pixie Frog (one juv. and one adult)
1.1.0 Clawed frogs
1.1.0 Albino Clawed frogs
0.0.1 Superlight juv Sulcatta
0.0.2 Fly river turtles
0.0.2 Savannah Monitors (one pastel)
0.2.0 juv pastel Columbian boas
1.1.0 monster pink pastel columbian boas
1.2.0 Hypo Hog boas
1.0.0 Hypo boa
1.1.0 Hypo boa babies, Poss. DH sunglow
0.2.0 Hypo poss. DH sunglow
1.0.0 Coral albino boa (my baby)
and
1.2.0 Pomeranians (the wifes babies)