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Heard of these and/or seen 'em? Or...By definition would this not BE a creamsicle. Maybe I just haven't been paying attention.
Picked one up at the Ohio show yesterday from a breeder I trust. Beautiful little snake, which was why I got her. I just don't know if it really falls into the creamsicle category. She does have faint black borders, and the breeder says they wind up with a silvery background color. Anyway, she's a pretty little thing.

Sorry but I just don't see how a creamsicle could have any black! They are the result of crossing an amel corn and emoryi rat. If someone is trying to create a new morph and using the hypo gene instead of the amel gene, I think they should come up with a new name and not use creamsicle.
Just my opinion.

That's why I wondered what a hypo creamsicle would look like. I just couldn't see how the hypo would change the looks of the creamsicle.

Another thing we might want to consider is the name, "creamsicle corn", since it isn't really a corn, but a corn/emoryi cross. Creamsicle is one thing, but when folks call them creamsicle corns I think it's kinda misleading. The same could be said of other names, like rootbeer corn.

TC

>>Heard of these and/or seen 'em? Or...By definition would this not BE a creamsicle. Maybe I just haven't been paying attention.
>>Picked one up at the Ohio show yesterday from a breeder I trust. Beautiful little snake, which was why I got her. I just don't know if it really falls into the creamsicle category. She does have faint black borders, and the breeder says they wind up with a silvery background color. Anyway, she's a pretty little thing.

Ok here's the deal.
It is most likely a hypo emoryi/corn mix.
Unfortunately a lot of people think that any and all emoryi/corn crosses are creamsicles.
This simply isn't so.
The "normal" results of emoryi corn crosses are rootbeers.
Creamsicles are emoryi/corn crosses expressing amelanism
Now, as for emoryi/corn crosses expressing hypomelanism well those are cinnamons.

here are a few cinnamons

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Thanks for a more complete answer. I haven't kept up with the newer morphs. Just concentrating on one project. Now I know what rootbeers and cinnamons are. Also, nice to know that since they are a different type of emoryi/corn cross that they do have a unique name.

>>Thanks for a more complete answer. I haven't kept up with the newer morphs. Just concentrating on one project. Now I know what rootbeers and cinnamons are. Also, nice to know that since they are a different type of emoryi/corn cross that they do have a unique name.

There was a mention made below of another possibile emoryi mix name.
Although it is sometimes hard to tell if Tim is kidding or not he coined a name for "snows" resulting from emoryi/corn crosses.
He called it a Snowcone.
Not sure if he was joking or not but I kind of like it.
There is amelanism and emoryi so the snowcone name kind of keeps it in the "icecream" family.
And yes I know there is anerythrism too.

I am actually still waiting to see a term for an anerythristic corn/emoryi mix.
I know some people would prefer they all be called what they are...amelanistic emoryi/corn cross
anerythristic emoryi/corn cross
hypomelanistic emoryi/corn cross
but people always have and always will label ecerything.
Let's just hope it can be something simple that will somehow become synonomous with emoryi blood in the mix like Creamsicle.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"resistance is futile"
Jimmy (draybar)

Draybars Snakes

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I also liked the "snowcone" name.
We could name the anery mixes Rocky Road, licorice. Those are ice cream flavors! lol
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The licorice might muddy the waters a bit, since that is also the slang for the white-sided black rat.

Anyways...Thanks for clearing that up. I was pretty sure that a creamsicle, by definition, is amelanistic. Fact is, I bought this little beauty because she is just that(a little beauty). And the pics you posted, Jimmy, of the adult hypo is as the lady described the adults to me. I am actually well-pleased with my new snake and better informed on the topic. And as I was struggling for a name, some "tasty" ones have been suggested. THanks to all.

Here's an emory/corn cross that's anery. I produced it in 2001 by breeding a creamsicle to a het (rootbeer). I no longer have this snake and it was before I owned a digital camera - hence the bad photo.

Tim

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Third Eye

Here's a subadult hypo emory/corn cross that I produced in 2002. At the time I was marketing them as "golden corns." I ended up selling the pair that I had produced before I ever bred them.

Tim

Third Eye

Some of this year's zigzag corn/emory babies:

Third Eye

Fudgesicle has been suggested for the anery emoryi/corns, icicle for the snow version of emoryi/corn. We produced both as well as ghost emoryi/corns and cinnamons this year from a creamsicle X ghost corn breeding.

Will take a while before any new name becomes well established - likely good to stick with the emoryi/corn designation for now - but they sure are pretty little guys - especially the cinnamons and ghosts - the pattern with high saddle count and reduced head patterns, as well as reduced belly patterns reflect the emoryi parentage,

mary v.

Hey, Jimmy. What are we going to call the cinnamon creamsicle corn/emoryi cross mix? That is when someone eventually crosses a cinnamon x a creamsicle? Maybe we could call it a cinnasicle? Of course, it would be a rootbeer at first...LOL!

I would still like to see a picture of a hypo/amel, or cinnasicle, corn/emoryi cross.

TC

Good info. Actually, I would have steered clear of a true creamsicle: I have several amelanistic ratsnakes, and to me they all start looking like just a slight variation on a basic theme(slightly different shades). This one looked "different" to me, and the way the lady described the adults pleased me. Your pics look very much like what she was describing. Thanks, as always. Duffy