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Pink/Red Urates?

dragonmlv Sep 17, 2006 12:52 PM

A little while ago one of my male russian tortoises had a pink tinge to his urates (everything else was normal). He was active, moving around and eating. The pink lasted for a couple days and darkened into almost red. I thought about contacting the vet, but then it went away and everything has been normal since. Two days ago a different male russian had the same thing, and today his urate was pretty red. He's been active and moving around, altho last week he was sleeping in and not eating as much (it's getting cooler, so I assumed he was starting to "hibernate" even tho I keep them inside), he's been fine these past few days however.

Could this be a sign of dehydration? I dont keep water in their cages but I give them baths about every other week, and I spray down their food with water before feeding. I keep them on a dirt/sand mixture that I keep moist, with a pile of timothy hay on one end. I've read all the tortoise faq's and care sheets that I could find, and I believe they are getting everything they need to stay healthy. I also have many different supplements (vitamins, calcium, dried weeds, etc.) that I add to their food regularly.

Anyone know what this means? Should I take them to the vet, or is it a "simple" problem of more frequent baths or a certain vitamin I may need to add? Thanks for any help!

Replies (9)

buslady Sep 17, 2006 03:04 PM

You need to keep water in there, even if they never USE it directly they use it.

I would vet them, just to be on the safe side.

ScottE Sep 18, 2006 09:10 AM

Well, I think you recognize it is not good or normal.

It is, of course, blood, if it is mixed in with the urates (I'm assuming you are sure it isn't in the feces).

One would not expect blood in the urates because of acute dehydration. If it is because of dehydration, it would be chronic dehydration that facilitates the formation of mineral stones.

What else could it be? I guess trauma. But unless you dropped them both, that isn't likely. It could be a nephrotic effect of certain medecines (have they been treated with anything lately?).

Whatever it is, hydration will at least help. Also, cut out protein rich foods (eg, beans) as the metabolites put extra strain on the kidneys.

good luck, and see a vet.

dragonmlv Sep 18, 2006 08:13 PM

I will try keeping a water dish in the cages for them (altho I've read that they get soiled fast and can cause shell rot sometimes).

No, they haven't been treated with anything recently, and they also haven't been dropped (or any other trauma). So, maybe it is dehydration, altho I check their skin regularly to make sure its soft and pliable (the vet showed me how on my first visit a few years ago when I adopted my first tortoise), and they aren't skinny or light by any means...

I will be taking them to the vet asap. Thanks for the help.

dragonmlv Sep 18, 2006 08:18 PM

One thing I didn't think to mention before is that I recently started supplementing their greens (every other week or so) with a human grade probiotics ("good flora" that I ordered off a reptile supply website. This would be the only "treatment" they would be receiving - could this cause anything?

ScottE Sep 19, 2006 01:15 PM

I really don't know, and wouldn't venture a guess. I'd probably withold it just in case, until you know whats wrong.

good luck

>>One thing I didn't think to mention before is that I recently started supplementing their greens (every other week or so) with a human grade probiotics ("good flora" that I ordered off a reptile supply website. This would be the only "treatment" they would be receiving - could this cause anything?

EJ Sep 19, 2006 12:40 AM

Are you feeding a large amount of Dandelion Greens?

>>A little while ago one of my male russian tortoises had a pink tinge to his urates (everything else was normal). He was active, moving around and eating. The pink lasted for a couple days and darkened into almost red. I thought about contacting the vet, but then it went away and everything has been normal since. Two days ago a different male russian had the same thing, and today his urate was pretty red. He's been active and moving around, altho last week he was sleeping in and not eating as much (it's getting cooler, so I assumed he was starting to "hibernate" even tho I keep them inside), he's been fine these past few days however.
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>>Could this be a sign of dehydration? I dont keep water in their cages but I give them baths about every other week, and I spray down their food with water before feeding. I keep them on a dirt/sand mixture that I keep moist, with a pile of timothy hay on one end. I've read all the tortoise faq's and care sheets that I could find, and I believe they are getting everything they need to stay healthy. I also have many different supplements (vitamins, calcium, dried weeds, etc.) that I add to their food regularly.
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>>Anyone know what this means? Should I take them to the vet, or is it a "simple" problem of more frequent baths or a certain vitamin I may need to add? Thanks for any help!
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Trying to keep the fun in Chelonian care

dragonmlv Sep 19, 2006 06:06 AM

Yes, I feed dandelion greens as often as I can, usually around 4 times a week, sometimes more.

EJ Sep 21, 2006 03:05 PM

There is something in Dandelion greens that causes the pink urates. If your feeding that much dandelion greens I wouldn't worry about it.

>>Yes, I feed dandelion greens as often as I can, usually around 4 times a week, sometimes more.
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Ed @ Tortoise Keepers
Trying to keep the fun in Chelonian care

dragonmlv Sep 23, 2006 09:55 AM

Thanks for the info

I ended up taking him to the vets a couple days ago and they ran some tests and did xrays and he doesn't have stones/crystals, no parasites and the pink wasn't blood - so now I know what it is!
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