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Hi Boa Fans

I had 2 nice litters of arabesque boas this year. One of the baby looks quite different. Its from the litter where i also used a hypo x normal female. I got 6 normal arabesque and this little puppy. Im thinking about him beeing a Super form.
What you think?
It happens sometimes just like the super motlyes that Jeremy Stone had in his motley x normal breeding.
From the information i had to this day i know arabesque as a dominant just like the hypo but sometimes super looks different then the regular. I dont know much about arabesque x arabesque breeding. Does anyone of you have information about the look of the babys from those breedings or have some pictures of them?
Maybe its a Super Arab.

Thank you

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Gabor Kaminski

I don't know about super Arabs...but they both look super good to me!!! I love the Arabesque!!

Just a few questions??

Also, I did not know you can have a super from anything with a normal...Even a super bred to a normal produces only hets...

When did Jeremy produce supers in a normal breeding? I have not heard of it...

Well if it does prove out to be a super....I am sure it will produce some killer babies!!! Those are some awesome Arabs!!!

Thanks Andy
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Andy,

A few years ago Jeremy bred a motley to a normal and the "purple patternless" was produced. Jeremy theorized that it was a super motley and now that the super has proven to be a patternless snake, I too believe it is a super. I don't think he has got it to breed yet, so until then we won't know for sure.

Sometimes weird things happen and nature doesn't follow "the rules". This year Jeremy bred a motley to a T positive albino and there was one T positive in the litter. The motley was not a het, but he still got a T positive out of it. Just a fluke of nature.

Matt

Thanks Matt, I just did not know the purple patternless was out of a normal...Thanks. Andy
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I would not classify him/her as a super. The "supers" have almost no saddles leading to reverse stripes. Your boa resembles a cleaned up arab. It is similar to the sunburst arabesque Hammond was breeding. They had more color and less speckling. Your boa appears to be a "pastel" arab. Maybe the hypo caused the reduction of speckles. Arabesques are just like jungles. A jungle to a normal gets you great looking babies. A jungle x jungle breeding gets you WOW! The same applies to arabesque. An arabesque x arabesque breeding resulted in babies with more pattern abnormalities, not just better color. That cleaned up kid you have really shows off the pattern well. Although I don't think it will prove to be super, I do think the reduced speckles will breed true. Congratulations on a beautiful boa.

Phil Goss

I am always a little behid on this stuff. Did anyone even prove that there is a super yet, or are we just baing this on those poss. supers produced a while back??

wrote "supers". That would be a huge coincidence for an arab x arab breeding to throw those killer babies and them not prove to be supers. It could happen, but I'm guessing they're supers. But I'm just some guy who loves boas. What do I know? I've been wrong before. It could happen a second time. LOL.

Also, has anyone bred a super jungle to a normal?

Phil Goss

Do you have any pictures of the possible super arabesque boas? I cant find any at the net. I think not many people did this breeding yet but there must be a few of them. I just wanted to make a comparison. Maybe you cant see this on the picture but the pattern is pretty different then in other normal arabesques. I dont know, time will tell. I also know that there was a few super tigers from tiger x normal breeding.

Thanx anyway
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Gabor Kaminski

nice looking ARAB you got there GABOR,,,,,,

i think its just a clean GREAT looking arabesque and not a SUPER but,,,time will tell.
i will take him/her of your hands if the (super)question is killing you,,,,,LOL.
i will try this year if my ARAB male will breed my ARAB girl BUT i got some more males to breed her so we will see wich male does the best breeding on her,,,,(jungle,,,,,,hypo).

anyway GABOR i couldn,t find you in HAMM and was curious to see those little arabs in person,,,well maybe next time.

have fun with it
cheers
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toine plompen,,,holland

WWW.PUREBOAS.COM

Hi Toine

Yes, maybe you are right but i hope you are wrong.
Its really different, not just pastel. Anyway, Its a keeper. Time will tell what do i produced.
I was at the show. Yeap, next time i will bring some albino motleys too. LOL

Take care
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Gabor Kaminski

these were produced i believe by STEVE HAMMOND back then,,,

i don,t know if any more breeding has been done,with them

nobody knows i think because i never heard a thing from anyone,,,,when i asked in the past,,,,

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toine plompen,,,holland

WWW.PUREBOAS.COM

first kid doesn't scream super, nothing does. I had that pic ready to post. The "different" arabesque that started this thread is amazing, but all the pattern is still there. That little guy may produce bright, clean arabs, but whom would you place your money on for being super? The clean arab is a keeper indeed. Good luck with him and keep us posted.

Phil Goss

Toine. I wonder if many snakes like these were born. I dont think so. These are the only abberant arabs i remember so far. Maybe it has nothing to do with the arab x arab breeding. Well see,

Greetings

Gabor
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Gabor Kaminski

I would place money that there are not many of these babies because there have not been many arab x arab breedings. In fact, there may have been only one which resulted in those reverse striped boas. With only one breeding leading to a distinctive phenotype, odds are good that they are the "super" form of the arabesque gene.

Phil Goss