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this is meant to educate and share to define the blaze phase Goini,i have a possible blaze from Sheila last year she said my animal may have Fl. blood,i will go get a new pic .Ill be back after my chores.Chris
ok people post some pics!!!!!!!
here is question animal pic

not a Blaze, but from Guld Coast reptiles.

Sorry Chris, I just had to throw it off topic a little.

Lavender Brooksi X Goini

Blaze I got from Sheila the same time chris got his:

they do like to eat dont they

is that a fence post or a shovel handle

get the name BLAZE lol

another Gulf Coast creation. The lavender brooks x going are also het for axanthic. Turns out the Tim Ricks strain was used and a lot of them have the axanthic gene in it already.

Gulf Coast snow brooks x goini:

Lav brooksi x goini

solid red lav brooksi x goini

Killer... now if that snakes holds it's color or it gets better and the lavender color turns orange!!!!! can u say WOW!
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I guess it is o.k. to pass this along, I have had it saved for a long time. Not even sure exactly where I got it? I am no one to be questioning Bill and Kathy Love or Dr. Bechtel, but I fail to see that this trait is truly hyperererythrism. Maybe it is, but the red undergoes a natural gradual color fade that can’t be stopped? I am not on board with the trait. To me it means brown, or more pigment, I prefer less and less. I feel the key might be hybridizing with something like a bloodred corn or something where the red naturally gets better with each shed instead of fading. I look forward to seeing those red adults if anyone can post pitures, I’d love to be wrong about it!

This topic on the Blaze has been beat to death here. Do a search on "Blaze" and see if it comes up.

I know Sheila and Chris at Gulf coast and they would not lie about it being hybridized. This is a true morph and it is pure goini. Maybe the triat assigned to is incorrect, but it is a receessive trait of some sort.

I did not mean to imply anything was breed to make Blaze,I do believe it is pure Goini. I mean that if we really want to create a red blazing king we might want to do that in the future. I bet you have all the ingredients to make it right now, and you will probably be the first. I am not on board with the Blaze, I don’t think a solid red adult will come from it. But I am totally on board with anyone who can make the solid red happen!

here is one that is not solid red for comparison:

I love that snake! I have saved that picture from he first time you posted it, along with a few others I have seen in this thread. I guess there you have it. A solid red adult "Blaze" Goini. That is it- you are done, that is as far as you are going to get with solid "red" in the Blaze phase Goini.I have followed the Blaze thing since I learned of it, just never bought into it. I think it only indicates an avenue towards that still mythical honduran real red red. There is bound to be some allele that will line up with something out there and produce the back-flip inducing creature that we aspire to see. I dont care, nor do I doubt many do, what the heck you have to mix to get there. I do think you are going to have to bring the real red color into it from something else to make it happen. Maybe the honduran mix you have bred will be the magic. Maybe breeding and refining pure Goini will do it, but I sure doubt it. My thoughts are to borrow the patternless gene from the Goini, not the "red", which I think is dumb to call red in the first place. Then try to come up with something like a refined vanishing pattern Honduran with the wonderful stoutness and personality of the Goini. Wont be a pure Blaze Goini, but I'll want one! I still say you will be the one to do it, and we will be calling you "Redrosy" someday soon! Believe me, I am rooting for you every step of the way.

hard to tell what it is (Hypo or Hyper)

I'm more concerned with how to make the blaze look better/ hold color without hyridizing... i think they can be selectively bred... i just don't think many breeders concern themselves with selective breeding any more it seems they breed what has the best market value then get rid of their stock once prices start going down... rather improving something to make them more likeable...

My Ingredients:

`04 blaze female...

`06 Hi-red goini male (from orange adults)...

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Thats a good point Zenny. I may want some of those outcrossed Blaze once you get them. Nothing like improving the line by outbreeding. You may even get a few surprises.

I love surprises

Nice stuff there ZF! haha..
Hey, here's a lousy pic I just snapped before he zipped under a board. Stays put until I grab the camera....there is just no way to get his colors right...more red than most "blaze" and more black too I suppose,huh?
Your '06's (above) daddy.

:Mark
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Mark,
what i'm going for is Hi-red into adulthood... i can get that through a cross which i plan on doing next season but i wanna achieve that with "pure" goini... it may not happen in the 1st back breeding of the Blaze X Hi-orange...but i'm willing to work!!

~Z
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I believe you have a better chance of that in keeping the lines "pure". From my very limited experience, I've seen some decent color retention. Now don't even consider using my moniker when coming up with a name for yours!!!
:Mark
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i have a possible blaze from Sheila last year she said my animal may have Fl. blood

She said your blaze from her may have Florida King in it? LOL!

What is a "possible" Blaze?? I thought it either is or is not?
Tom Stevens
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that was a question not a quote ,the animal is the closest looking to a blaze, thats why i started the post ,to get an answer.now what makes it a blaze