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undescribed milks anymore?I haven't seen any offered for about five years.
Shannon

i asked the same ? ....no body seems to care......

I've never heard of them. Are they the undescribed species from Arizona? I'd love to see a photo.
-Phil

think (and this is just my theory)that he had got ahold of one pure dixoni and could never pair it up so he decided to breed it to the closest looking thing and that would be a pueblan or maybe annulata.
The inner bands on his were just to wide to be dixoni but the counts were about right.Most I saw looked just like they were sporting both dixoni and pueblan blood.But who knows.I really doubt it was a true s.s.p of triangulum.
Shannon

yeah i immediately thought 'dixoni' when i first viewed that pic;granted there seem to be somewhat limited context/pics of true dixoni circulating to compare it to,but that would have been my guess.pretty.i've always thought dixon's look like that anyway-an integrade between a pueblan and,well,any of your typical central mexican milks,with a black head.
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"with head raised regally,and gazing at me with lidless eyes,he seemed to question with flicks of his long forked tongue my right to trespass on his territory" Carl Kauffeld

according to Kingnsnakes and Milksnakes by Markel & Bartlett on page 61.

Jake

If you have seen true dixoni then you would see the difference.
Shannon

Field.This pic was taken by Robert Hansen and he said I could post it.
Shannon

Does anybody have any info on the supposed undescribed S. Western Arizona Milksnake that is mentioned in Brian Hubbs' Mountain King book? It would be pretty interesting if it was a new ssp. Thanks for the pics Shannon.
-Phil

they milks in s.w.arizona are celaenops and are just a range extension from northern mexico.
The ones up in northern arizona (I have found two)are listed as taylori but the ones I found close to st.johns looked like taylori x celaenops crosses?who really knows.
Shannon

Jim Kane's milksnakes were descendants from an original pair collected by Ron Savage near Dr. Arroyo, Nuevo Leon back in the late 1970's ('77-'78). I remember seeing and photographing those wild snakes myself shortly after he found them. At the time, we thought they were simply a southerly population of L. t. annulata. They were cool, but not anything "new" to us. Somehow they evolved in captivity to an "undescribed" subspecies. Oh well, that's life with a deli cup I guess.

Regards,
Bob Haase

I have ever heard about them.
Shannon

Hey Shannon,

Thanks for your post. If you want further details on those snakes, email me at: rth.cpars@att.net

Best,
Bob