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Female Albinos

JessCMac Sep 28, 2006 02:56 PM

As I understand it female albino boas are sterile, is this correct?
However, I've heard rumors of Albino females producing litters in the past year. Is this legitimate, or merely hearsay?

In addition, asuming female albinos are sterile, would this go for female sunglows and female snows as well?

Thanks

Replies (18)

carpetguy Sep 28, 2006 03:04 PM

ive been wondering about this myself

rainbowsrus Sep 28, 2006 03:07 PM

at least not generally. As with any population of animals, some probably are. They are a bit harder to breed as they have more difficulty thermoregulating. And most breeders would agree that unless you have fairly well unrelated breeders, albino X albino is risky.

The real problem with the higher end morphs is to get there, you have to cross animals with the same moroh genes. By definition, every Kahl albino or het Kahl albino can be traced back to one individual so they are ALL related. There is/was (and unfortunately will be) some degree of inbreeding. While it is necessary for morph production, it can also led to birth defects. IMO, get your breeding stock from different sources to helpo minimize problems.

>>As I understand it female albino boas are sterile, is this correct?
>>However, I've heard rumors of Albino females producing litters in the past year. Is this legitimate, or merely hearsay?
>>
>>In addition, asuming female albinos are sterile, would this go for female sunglows and female snows as well?
>>
>>Thanks
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB, selectively bred from good stock)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
13.26 BRB
11.16 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

ajfreptiles Sep 28, 2006 04:10 PM

As with any good breeding project...outcrossing is very necessary....
Outcrossing will provide us with stronger animals and keep the genes healthy. Andy
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ChrisGilbert Sep 28, 2006 04:14 PM

Kahl strain can be traced to multiple original Albinos. I don't remember the numbers, but Pete would know. He got some of the originals and bred them to produce hets, I don't know the numbers that he bought out of how many. Also a breeder in the UK imported wild caught Albinos within the last few years and proved them compatible with Kahl strain.

The only Albino that is linked to one founder animal, is the Sharp, to the matriarch.

PastelDream Sep 28, 2006 05:24 PM

Kahl Strain can be traced back to "2 males". They were siblings.

PastelDream Sep 28, 2006 05:39 PM

Link
http://www.pkreptiles.com/collection/view_details.asp?id=70000002
Albino boas.

ChrisGilbert Sep 28, 2006 05:43 PM

he had a longer article on his old site, it might be on the new one too.

So there were 3.1 originally, and Pete bred 2 males to start his line. Then add in the ones imported to the UK from Colombia a few years back. I wonder what happened to the other original 1.1?

PastelDream Sep 28, 2006 05:49 PM

I'd like to think that last 1.1 is still alive.

It's sort of ironic that they never reproduced. Sort of makes you wonder if that original Albino female sibling was sterile. I guess we'll never know.

After all, the males reproduced just fine for Pete. Of course, he was breeding the males to normal females.

ChrisGilbert Sep 28, 2006 06:05 PM

was able to get them to breed. So it may have just been a lack of know how by the other attempting parties.

PastelDream Sep 28, 2006 06:30 PM

I'm not sure how much "know how" they all had, as I only know of the people that had them first. He knew his boas pretty well. Prehaps he was simply only trying with the Albino Female.

BTW according to Pete he din't have any "know how" prior to breeding the Albino male to those females.

Maybe it's just a matter of "luck".

ajfreptiles Sep 28, 2006 04:07 PM

No...female Albinos are NOT sterile....Andy
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ChrisGilbert Sep 28, 2006 04:16 PM

My Sharp baby was from an Albino mother. If you look at Pete Kahl's website under the breeding records you will see numerous litters from Albino dams. As well as Sunglow, Albino Arabesque, etc. Snow females also produce healthy litters.

Sterility has the same odds of affecting any boa as it does Albinos.

MarcS Sep 28, 2006 04:34 PM

My female Albino had 29 babies this year
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Marcs Reptiles

PastelDream Sep 28, 2006 05:20 PM

Of course, any color boa can be born sterile.

I know that many people have produced babies from Albino females.

I also know that many others have never produced babies using Albino females. It could be that they just don't get the temps right or the females just aren't ready yet. It could be that some Albino females don't reproduce, because they're sterile.

I do know that it "seems" to be easier to get babies using 100% hets females. Male Albinos must not be too picky on the temps, because they seem to breed and produce just fine.

I don't know if an Albino female is more likely to be sterile or not, but using a Het Female with an Albino male works best for me.

JessCMac Sep 28, 2006 07:19 PM

Thanks much. That makes alot of sense.

lexxxx300 Sep 28, 2006 07:29 PM

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jchausmer Sep 29, 2006 01:58 AM

Of all the litters i produced last year this is the only one i caught in the act....
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