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Anyone ever seen a specimen resembling the Piebald (?) mutation advertised on the Classifieds? That is incredible!! I have seen a few so-called Piebald (act. Calico) Monocleds but they don't hold a flame to this specimen. Are there any others out their that are similar? What about the Leucistics?

makes me wonder what species the snake is...

there is definitely not enough info in the ad...

Steve

Have you guys noticed that all the adds are the same. They just change the name "albino only one", "piebald only one" and so on that just don't look right to me.
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Darin Gray
Stone Cold Reptiles

Have you guys noticed that all the adds are the same. They just change the name "albino only one", "piebald only one" and so on that just don't look right to me.
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Thank you
Darin Gray
Stone Cold Reptiles

I saw that add. Personaly, it looks like a high white N.siamensis to me. Id be very catious buying it as anything else untill I could prove otherwise and definately until I saw it in person.

Also, the guy who put up the add for the leusistic spitter needs to stop trying to fool people. First off, he stated that these are the only ones know of. BS!! Chad Bachman just produced a whole bunch of REAL WHITE luesistic spitters (sputatrix to be exact)and there are a few other people with them as well. Also, the albino spitter looks alot like your run of the mill albino kaouthia. It may not be but why in the heck wont he list the spieces name? Somthing dosent add up.

Anyway, I would be very carefull buying from these guys untill I saw the animals in person. Asian Naja all are similar and it wouldnt suprise me if people tried passing something common off as somthing rare.

BTW, heres a pic of a real leusistic spitter.

My 2 pennies,
J

Leucistics are PURE white - that morph is similar to the White-sideds (Ratsnakes, Bloods, Bullsnakes, Rainbow Boas, etc. - a.k.a. Licorice Sticks. - my 3 cents

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If you look at their website, they have a few monacled morphs too.. the silver one looks really awesome but I don't think I'd call it 'axanthic'. It sounds like they have the snakes pictured but aren't sure themselves what they are.

Can't wait to see the end result of breeding that into the Albinos!!! Any other Monocled morphs out there (besides the Calicos)?

I myself and not too big into the morphs, though I do have an albino monocled I've been raising and he's a truly awesome snake, but it seems that we keep finding more and more color variants in this species. I also am not sure what I'd call that "silver" monocled of theirs, nor would I call these current "piebalds" anything but calico. I do know of a guy in China that has a couple of anery monocleds, and if he could get a couple over here I know we could easily create the first Snow monocleds (anery x albino). I can only picture in my mind what those snakes would look like, but I do know that when they become affordable I'll be adding some to the collection! lol, so much for my stance on morphs...nah, it's just tbe balls that get on my nerves.
-Chance

I am dying to see one. If you colud post a pix I would be most grateful. Do they differ from the one Millenium Morphs has posted?

>>I am dying to see one. If you colud post a pix I would be most grateful. Do they differ from the one Millenium Morphs has posted?

I do not have any pics of the aneries. I'm just going off of what their owner has told me in chat. He has people that go around to all the markets where they sell the snakes as food items and they buy up all the "weird" looking ones they can find, which we in this country pay a small fortune for, lol. Next time I see him on I'll ask if he can get me a picture or two of the aneries. I didn't think Millenium Morphs had an anery monocled pictured? I've seen their "axanthic" or whatever, but not an anery. I'm thinking an anery kaouthia would look sorta typical, just darker, and the beigish color usually on their ventral side would most likely be gray. Probably neat looking nonetheless. I'll see what I can do about getting a picture for you.
-Chance

However it would be nice to have them all! lol. I'd say that the "leucistic" he has presented looks more like a lavendar albino (t albino or whatever) to me, because it obviously has some pigment to its entire body. The "piebald" to me looks more like a regular "dirty leucistic" that I've seen many pictures of. Some of the snakes Mitch at Diamond Reptiles and a guy by the name of Sam in Asia has are these dirty leucistics. They are typically born pure white but develop a little bit of coloration on top of their heads as they age, much like the picture Jeremy G provided. Again, it might not be a good idea to call these snakes leucistic because it doesn't really fit with the actual definition, but if I were going to use the term leucistic when describing them I'd have to add some like dirty to the front of it. Just my thoughts. I think the albino is the only one I agree with its labeling, and like many of you I wish he would have addressed which species. If these are spitters they are probably sputatrix but you never know.
-Chance

I`ve seen a lot of things called leucistic in the reptile world turtles,lizards etc. that I personally wouldn't call leucistic.Now I`m not going to pretend and be some kind of genetics expert and I really don`t know where the line is drawn as far something being leucistic or not but to me when someone says they have a leucistic animal I picture a PURE white snake with dark eyes>case in point the monocled cobra pictured below.As far as cobra morphs go every year various things pop up in Asia both in spitters and non spitting species albinos,pieds (again subject to interpretation) and leucistics have all been before. Ernie Eison

probably the most impressive I have ever seen!! Was that a WC animal?? Looks very healthy. How far into the project are you???

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The spitters nor the monocles are one of a kind, they may infact be hard to come by, but by no means are they the only ones. I have personally seen siamensis that look EXACTLY like the lucistic, my friend has a pair. The silver monocles I have seen in person also and have seen many available. I think that there is no real facts when it comes to all of these cobras that have been available recently or in the past. I truly believe the only fact is that they are not properly identified as to what species they truly are. This is much along the lines of the "sunset and lucistic" monocles that have been available, have you seen the babies? I find it really unusual that they look EXACTLY like formosas with pinkish orange to them. The snakes that come out of asia are extremely variable and very understudied as far as genetics/identification. I will pull up some pictures of monocles and you can tell me your thoughts.
Kevin

look at this and tell me that this could be a pure monocle

my point is that there are several color phases and many more to come, are they unusual? YES. The only ones in existance? I WOULD SAY NO. I will try and find the pictures of the spitters that my friend has and show that there are more than one of this sort in existance. I am going to have to fully agree with the siamensis theory on those.
Kevin