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So I bought this girl at a pet store a couple years back, was told she was a "creamsicle", anymore I am not so sure. Orange Candy Cane? I hear they are derived from a some sort of a cross with an Everglades Rat? Any information would be helpful.

Thanks, I am planning on breeding her the start of next year, for the first time!
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Ok, guess the pics would help. Thanks!

Beautiful snake. Love the high-contrast. However, I don't know if I would call that a creamsicle.

To me, the blotch color is spot-on. But the white ground color is not right.

All of the creams I've seen (a few) have had color in the background. this ranges from pale yellowish cream, through pale orangy-yellow, to medium yellowish-orange. As they get older, more yellow shows up, esp on the lower neck and back. Really old creams seem to be mostly shades of orange, with yellow, and some flecks of white around the blotches.

This is just my own experience, yours may differ.

Regards,

John D

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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

>>Beautiful snake. Love the high-contrast. However, I don't know if I would call that a creamsicle.
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>>To me, the blotch color is spot-on. But the white ground color is not right.
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>>All of the creams I've seen (a few) have had color in the background. this ranges from pale yellowish cream, through pale orangy-yellow, to medium yellowish-orange. As they get older, more yellow shows up, esp on the lower neck and back. Really old creams seem to be mostly shades of orange, with yellow, and some flecks of white around the blotches.
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>>This is just my own experience, yours may differ.
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>>Regards,
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>>John D
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John,
One thing you need to remember about creamsicles...Although the name originated for just "those" emoryi/corn crosses with the tell-tail orange on orange creamsicle look (see first photo) it has now evolved to mean any emoryi/corn crosses expressing amealnism.
Is this good or bad? Opinions vary but language evolves.
So, white background or orange, if there is emoryi and amelanism
the hobby has evolved to call that creamsicle.
Like I said, some agree with this some don't but it is what it is.
Going back to the original post and photos, if the seller said creamsicle then they knew there was emoryi blood in the mix. The name creamsicle has become synonomous with emoryi blood so calling it creamsicle makes the presence of emoryi blood known.
In that vein it could be called creamsicle or an amelanistic emoryi/corn cross, which going full ciurcle means creamsicle....LOL
And of course the more corn in the mix the more they will look like amel corns.
check out the bottom two photos.
He looks more like a grey rat/corn cross but is indeed an emoryi/corn "creamsicle".

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Thanks for the clarification Jimmy - I'm sad to see this muddying of the waters.

To me your first pic is a classic orange/cream colored Creamsicle - the real deal, and a beauty at that.

While the snake in your next two pics has Emoyi blood, and is certainly beautiful in its own way, I would never call it a Creamsicle. If my memory serves, the name was coined based on the resemblance of the snake's colors to the legendary orange sherbet and vanilla ice cream frozen confection on-a-stick. Thus, I consider the coloration to be the primary defining characteristic - the possession of Emoyi blood is secondary.

Would an Orange still be an Orange if it were purple instead of orange? Would the juice taste the same?

I for one would consider a purple fruit marketed as an Orange to be fraudulent. By the same token, if I bought a sight-unseen Creamsicle, and received the second snake, I would be extremely displeased, (not that I would ever buy sight-unseen!), and promptly demand my money back. I would never, under any circumstances, represent the second snake to be a Creamsicle. I'd call it an Amel corn/emoyi cross.

Guess I'm just Old School.

Regards,

John D.
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I am so not lesdysxic!

0.1 Creamsicle Cornsake "Yolanda"
1.0 Bairds Ratsnake "Steely Dan"
0.1 Desert Kingsnake "FATTY"
0.1 Black Rat (WV Rescue) "Roberta"

>>So I bought this girl at a pet store a couple years back, was told she was a "creamsicle", anymore I am not so sure. Orange Candy Cane? I hear they are derived from a some sort of a cross with an Everglades Rat? Any information would be helpful.
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>>Thanks, I am planning on breeding her the start of next year, for the first time!
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Your picture is below.
First let me say that a creamsicle is a cross between a corn snake (pantherophis guttatus) and a Great plains rat snake (Pantherophis emoryi) that is expressing amelanism.
Amelanism is the lack of melanin (black) resulting in brighter remaining colors and red eyes.
If she was sold as a creamsicle I would trust them and go with creamsicle.
She is a nice looking creamsicle especially with the contrasting colors between saddles and background.
I like it.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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I'd agree with creamsicle, but with the lack of speckling in the ground or the saddles, probably 75% or more corn snake.

Thanks for the feedback guys, I bought this snake from a Petco, from a kid who I now realize knew less than I do, and that's not saying much. Haha. That's why I was curious.

It's very interesting to hear all the opinions, thanks.
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