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rick millspaugh Oct 10, 2006 04:43 PM

I have been noticing the trends of Thayeri aficionados for a few years now. It is almost funny to watch as trends go full circle (or sorta). Back in the late 80’s (1980’s for you young-ins) and very early 90’s Black Thayeri were all the rage, then they lost favor as lighter (white and yellowish) Leonis Phase were selectively bred. Then some of the red’s and oranges became available – MSP at first then growing numbers of orange Leonis. Tim and a few others did a fantastic job selectively breeding for clean bright color. Then thin saddles, split saddles, and low black were in. Now, the rage seems to be back to the lighter white and yellow Thayeri with the addition that the colors are cleaner with less gray. Black Thayeri are suddenly impossible to find when you couldn’t give them away a few years ago. With the addition of a wild caught female into Tim’s mix a few years ago, we now have “retro” lines gaining popularity.

It’s kind of cool that a little Kingsnake can have it’s looks manipulated so much in so little time without a myriad of mutations like the Cornsnakes have had. It’s all from people breeding for certain things they like. Now it will be interesting to see where it all goes, combining different attributes, low black, aberrant patterns, clean colors, wild head patterns, etc. I still think the very bright orange colors are the most difficult to maintain (or achieve) but I too like the clean lighter colors. Now for an aberrant spotted clean white, with no black, deep brick “split” bands/spots, and a cool head pattern; oh yah, with a melanistic sister with the same pattern showing through in the right light (LOL).

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Rick
Never Enough
Reptiles

Replies (6)

KenCasstevens Oct 11, 2006 01:48 PM

I sure wish I had been into Thayeri when the melanistic ones were plentiful. You're right about the fact that they are really hard to find these days. I've had an adult male for about a year, and a half, and I'm still looking for a female for him. He's so shiny black he has hues of purple, and blue in the right light. The only thing about him is he has a small almost unnoticable lump right below his vent, but it didn't inhibit him from breeding. Actually he was my most actice breeding male this past season. He stayed on the female the whole time they were together constantly rubbing on her. Unfortunately his clutch was lost to mold when my submersable aquarium heater went out. I also lost eleven of thirteen from another clutch due to this. He's sweet as can be, and is still one of my favorites. Hopefully I can find a female for him soon, or at least find someone who has an adult female, and put him on breeder loan. Here are some pics of him. Hope you all enjoy them.
Ken

KenCasstevens Oct 11, 2006 03:34 PM

Here is a close up of him poking his head out from the aspen.

APLAXAR Oct 11, 2006 03:14 PM

I saw my first Thayeri only a few years ago, i saw a Classic leonis and two light peach leonis and i have been a huge fan ever since, being only 23 years old i never knew that they came in so many different colors till only a few years ago when i really started fequenting this forum, and since them my mind has been blown more then a few times with such pictures from Mike K. and Chris Garcia's sharktooth and Dan V.'s white line that i have been trying to branch out into getting some differnt colors and patterns, even though i am partial to leonis, i bought my first thayeri at the all new england reptile expo in 2004, and since then i have been buying more when ever i can afford it or something catches my eye. this next breeding season i am attempting my first breeding of Thayeri, and i hope to have atleast one egg hatch, and if not there is always next year, but i guess as far as trends go i can only sit back and watch because i am still consiterably new at this wonderful species.

Adam

this is who i hope to pair up this next season
Evelyn and Jesus (Hey-Zeus is how it is pronounced)

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2.3 THAYERI (1.1 added soon)
1.2 SPLENDIDA (1.0 ALBINO/ 0.2 HYPO)
1.3 ALTERNA

0.1.1 pyxie
0.0.2 horned frogs

KenCasstevens Oct 12, 2006 11:23 AM

Hey Adam. I noticed under every post you've listed what you have. Let's see some pics of the other ones my friend.
Ken

APLAXAR Oct 12, 2006 03:44 PM

here is my speldida trio

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2.3 THAYERI (1.1 added soon)
1.2 SPLENDIDA (1.0 ALBINO/ 0.2 HYPO)
1.3 ALTERNA

0.1.1 pyxie
0.0.2 horned frogs

APLAXAR Oct 12, 2006 03:45 PM

here are some grey bands from "the man" mexicanamak

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2.3 THAYERI (1.1 added soon)
1.2 SPLENDIDA (1.0 ALBINO/ 0.2 HYPO)
1.3 ALTERNA

0.1.1 pyxie
0.0.2 horned frogs

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