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I’m blown away by the clean “between the scales” look of those. Breeding Goini x Brooks crosses together, do the babies further meld the two or do you get some that look 100% Brooks and 100% Goini?
Can you sort out what the expected results would be- would it be something like this?

true 50/50 meld- looks like both
Looks Brooks- het for Goini
Looks Goini- het for Brooks
100% Brooks (alleles lined up)
100% Goini (alleles lined up)

I can only imagine throwing in hypo, patternless and het genetics in this mix. I am fascinated by it, but it’s a bit too much for me to figure out.

Brooksi, Goini... just a variation in pattern and location but still kingsnakes so one won't be het for the other rather you'd have a cobination of both looks in the 1st generation, from the breedings i've done with goini X Brooksi you tend to see most take on a look more brooksi than goini and some inermediates but nothin really "goini-ish"

in the 2nd generation it is very likely you'd get animals that look 100% Brooks, others that look 100% goini, and intermediates

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The extremely clean between the scales basically is exagerrated in the HYPO recross f2. There might be something else at work in there too.....but as you can see by the bigger pic, they do not darken up OR lose much color like most goini. Here is a pic of a young adult....

I think the traditional thinking with the Brooks/Goini cross was that they tend to revert to Brooks look. By deliberately selectively breeding for the “Goini” look instead, I think that was key to what you are producing. I have thought of “borrowing” the hypo gene or whatever to produce a hypo Goini, I never figured you’d pop out something so different looking. One can only begin to wonder what will come from Jelly/Blaze or white side mix. I think it is very exciting, thanks for sharing.

This little guy has the typical dark between the scales, no hypo in the mix. Has a solid black belly though! Go figure...

I didnt produce these. I just am lucky enough to be first on the list,lol. I think it this is a great example of SELECTIVE breeding. To choose the traits that are desired,combined,etc...just to add another pic, here is a HYPO cross right next to a BLAZE goini at 1 yr of age. Blaze are REAL nice goini, but nothing holds color like this line.

That all tue about the Blaze and the hypo goini being better in color. BUT,,,, just wait until the Blaze x hypos are born. Then I think we may have the hypo goini beat.

Rainer, the hypo gene combined with the patternless creates the pure orange look. The blaze may yellow up the belly with an orange dorsal....what would you expect?? J

LOL!

he hyperethristic gene combined with the hypo will be more intense whether its red or yellow. Persoanlly I think it will make a glowing red animal similar to the hybino.

Blaze hyperthristic gene

I think they have much more brooksi than goini influence. I think the key is to get the patternless goini influence ...like than nice MALE. Females never look as good, but not exactly jealous....did try to bribe Tom though,lol.

That male Blaze I posted above is what i used to breed the hypo. Should be some nice babies.

I just sold this female Goini x lavender brooks yesterday . I am going to miss her:

Goini x lavender brooks

I also sold a male snow goini x lav to go along with her. I am goining to miss this pair.

...while I do like a red animal, I still haven't seen one that has held a deep red. Are they out there?
The Blaze phase does nothing for me personally but that's only my opinion of course!
As for the patternless look, you can get patternless (-ish) hypos and patternless goini. Hasn't that been done? (bred together)What was the result?
And please don't forget to add that when an amel is used, there is now Cal king in the mix, right?
Beautiful animals...Keep 'em comin'!
:Mark
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Mark I saw a pair of adult in Daytona in 05 that had retained the red to a very high degree but they have been the exception not the rule. As a desirable morph blaze still need some work with continued line breedings that select for the red.

The only people consistently mentioning “red” in association with the Blaze phase are those that have bought into this as the path to the truly red kingsnake. Look again at this article from the originators of this phase. They do not mention red anywhere. There is the reference to hypererythrism but no visual evidence that the color red is at work here. The hypo blend sort of proves once and for all that the color in play is orange at best. As described by the originators- “Tangerine Goins Kings”. I think the red is still just a myth. Maybe further refinement will turn up a real hypererythristic red animal, but I still don’t think the blaze gets you there. I still love ‘em though! And I am never getting off the Goini treadmill- for what? The $45.00 kingsnake treadmill?? Ha Ha patternless orange Goini- priceless!! (Just MHO)

We throw red around like there is no tomorrow but often we mean orange, rose, rust..... Lets hope we never get confused about what white is. Ever seen the color chips at the paint store for white? There are thousands of them!!

Red. Orange. yellow. Are they all from the same thing? I mean, I think it's been mentioned before that the red and yellow are "connected" in the xanthic /erythristic genes??? (in these kings). I believe there are "layers" of color in the scales, aren't there?
We'll doubtfully ever see true red scales (like in a Sinaloan milk or whatever)in getula, do you think?
:Mark
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reds , oronage yellow, pink ect are all from the same xantophores (sp) and since the hyperethristic Blaze goini are dark I beleive they reds will be even more intense because it is a reccessive trait. I have seen this happen with the hybrids. Some of the darkest brown "normals" turn into more intense reds in the albino phase than a albino nelsons or albino hondo.

Thats why I really think the Blaze gene combined with the amel and other genes will put out some surprising things. Sometimes the ugliest ducklings (in color) emerge when combined with other traits.

Ya know, I used to have a pair of really dark alternathat would throw the brightest crisp colored babies.
I'm with you on that.
:Mark
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Yeah...It's just that the typical blaze as an adult is so washed out and doesn't have much contrast w/ black that they really do not appeal to me. Goins as a rule are already headed towards that lightening and "wash-out" of colors, so I just didn't see where the blaze helped much.
I like the "natural" looks of wild goini, but as adults many are drab as hell. I also like the higher red that some of mine are keeping. I guess I'll have to refine my lines some this upcoming year, huh?
Well, hopefully.
Hoping to get some new wc blood too....
:Mark
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Tyhe stock that I have are almost all red and they do daken with age but mixed in with the lavender gene or the hypo gene will bring the red out more imo.

Blaze male that I use in all my projects:

last yrs baby:

I think what disapoints some about blaze is that the neonates are so HOT that in contrast the adults just don't do it for people. Given how they mature I still say this is some type of hypo mutation because in MHO more red does not bear out in adults. That said the hypo goini brooks crosses look pretty good as adults so go figure.

No doubt the hypo going cross smokes the Blaze on looks. But my high red adult bred to a hypo should improve the reds some if not the entire appearance compared to the hypo x normal goini. Its still a patternless high red goini. The hyperthristic gene should do omething to intensify when combined to the hypo brooksi.

Knowbody really knows or understands what genes there are floating around in the Blaze and how it reacts when combined with other traits. I plan on doing more breedings with the male I posted above to produce more double hets with different traits.

I’m looking for the Ghost X Patternless cross- solid high white, dark eye. Keep your orange, brown, flame, red whatever you call it. But now that orange is really starting to look like it just might hold up into adulthood and be something. Dang, now I need ANOTHER rack!