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I can't get any of Shannon's (or the others for that matter), but I can at least throw one photo in the ring.

Shannon's last live pic looked kind of like this DOR I found, but I bet they aren't the same thing.

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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

things come to mind.First it has saddles somewhat like syspila but I don't think it is.I have seen a couple snakes come off the river road that looked alot like that and were just aberrant celaenops or thought to maybe be alterna x celeanops?
But,I would have to guess its from south of the border.It looks like it could be a thayeri even though this is a milk forum.Its hard to say because the head is pretty thrashed.I am sticking with thayeri as first guess and for second guess I would say a milk from one of the many intergrade zones in Texas?
probably way off but what the heck.

Shannon

Celaenops

I've seen SyspilaxGentilis from KS resembling that deflated snake.
Jeff

I thought I could fool you guys with this one, since it fooled me when I found it. It isn't a milksnake at all.

It is an undescribed taxon (someone is working on it) in the mexicana group from just south of Monterrey, Mexico.

It really makes me wonder about the relationships between Big Bend "caelenops" and the northern Mexican "mexicana".
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

If it is from just south of Monterrey isn't that currently considered thayeri range? Do you know if it is occuring in the same range and alongside thayeri or are you saying what we thought was thayeri is something else? Neat snake and thanks for posting it.

>>If it is from just south of Monterrey isn't that currently considered thayeri range?

The people who have seen more than one say it might be something different. Apparently it has a different number of ventrals or something. There is some DNA work being done.

It is apparently from and area where thayeri aren't known? I don't know anything about mexicana range. This is the only mexicana I have ever found.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas

waiting for somebody to post a webbi and then see what everybody thinks.

L8r Shannon

I saw a great photo of a webbi posted on another forum. Looks pretty much like a greeri to me. Of course, I have no problem with the taxon since it is named after my former major professor.
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Chris Harrison
San Antonio, Texas