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i am getting very cofused with the whole lucy lesser and platty balls

lesserxlesser=lucy
how do u get a platty.....
if so....how come no one is making platties.....was there something more in the platty that came out in its eggs...that ralph didnt tell us.....hmmmmmmm....remind me of someone...heheheeh......inferno ball.....

I don't think Ralph even knows for sure what the hidden gene is that makes the platty yet. If you buy a pair of lessers hoping to get a platty I think your chances of producing one are close to 0% unless they are direct offspring of a platty (even then I don't know if a platty has been made from Lesser x lesser). From Ralphs birthing records I think he has produced platties from breeding Platty x lesser, and Platty X normal offspring from platty but that is just from memory so you might want to check it out for yourself.
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John Vandegrift

equals platinum IF they are all from the original platy daddy. Check out Ralph Davis's site for mor info.
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"Because life is preciouse...and god and the bible..."

Breed a lesser to a normal looking sibling that was sired by a platty, then you can get platty's.
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Nita Hamilton
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Ball Pythons
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When did that happen? I think Ralph got a platty from breeding a Platty to a normal sibling that was sired by a platty. I don't think he has got a platty from lesser to normal sib.
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John Vandegrift

honestly i think we should ask the main man himself...anyone offer to do that....????

JOhn
Zinger Reptiles
I GOT BALLZ!!!

ps im not worthy to speak to such a man.......

The only guaranteed way to produce a platty is to breed a lesser that was sired by a platty to a normal that was sired by a platty. The hidden platty gene is recessive, but for some reason only shows itself when combined with the co-dom lesser gene. Therefore, not all lessers are capable of producing platties. The reason no-one else has them is because Ralph has not offered many platties for sale yet and wants a lot for them. He also has very high prices on any animals sired by a platty as they would be the only ones guaranteed to be "het" for the platty gene. He has also only offered these for sale for the past year or so. There is a lot that is still unknown about the hidden platty gene and also what connection it has to butters.

That guy is the smartest guy in the world....omg he could make a fortune....make the normals up in the highhh 20000 and the lessers 10000 he could be soooo on top of this and platties 35000 omg..........the possiblities to posses that kind of power.....

John
Zinger Reptiles
I GOT BALLZ!!!

Actually the production of the platy butter without inbreeding tends to indicate that the platy combo does not involve a recessive gene.

Hard to be sure but I would also not guess that it's recessive since lesser X lesser has not been reported to produce platy.

One theory is that a lesser or butter is turned into a platy by the addition of a single copy of another gene in the lesser/mojave/butter/Vin Russo/phantom/"whatever makes a crystal" group. However it's different from the others in that just one copy of the gene apparently makes something normal or pretty much normal looking and the same for two copies if that combination is viable. I like the name dilute for this gene because it sounds like a rat gene I once read about that was described as having no effect by it's self with the normal types but dilutes certain morphs. However, given the lack of platy from lesser X lesser it seems likely that the gene is linked to lesser, perhaps by being yet another version of this same gene (or maybe even the lack of that gene) so that none of the lesser offspring of platy X normal would get it but all of the non lesser offspring would.

lol!
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Nita Hamilton
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Ball Pythons
ballpythonworld.com

If it was recessive you could get a platty from a lesser x lesser as long as they were sired by the platty, the hidden gene is on the same allele as the lesser gene, wich is where the butter and mojave gene are too I think wich is why they all produce similar super forms and when crossed with each other you still get a super form. All the morphs named above as well as the phantom are considered I think to be a part of the platinum complex of morphs.
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Nita Hamilton
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Ball Pythons
ballpythonworld.com

Yes, ralph bred a lesser to its sibling and produced a platty. In 2003 Ralph produced the first Platinum to be born in captivity and it was from a lesser to its sibling, he did it twice that year, clutches 44 and 51. In 2004 he bred the platinum to his lesser daughter and produced 2 platinums. It is all in Ralphs birthing records.
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Nita Hamilton
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Ball Pythons
ballpythonworld.com