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This look like a Paradox Albino to you guys?

Thanks Tom

Lets try again

well, you need to wait till it sheds to see if it keeps it and what it looks like at that point. some babies are born with white scales and it sheds out..

But most of the paradox albinos are from het to het and albino to het breedings.. i dont personally remember any from albino to albino..

hold on to it and dont sell it until you know what it looks like.. update us with pictures after it sheds, ok?

Beau

I just got one this year and i know of one other gentleman that also hatched one from his albino line.......

I think they are some form of albino......that just didnt take all the way...they may appear to be normal with traces of the albino gene trying to come thru.......they may be normals thast carry the albino gene.....like hets........but this is all speculation and just my observances.....

Did yours come from a het albino by chance? YOur is the best example if this trait i have seen yet ( out of the only 3 i have ever seen)

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You can see the lack of pigment in the balck areas, and the very birght yellow much like in the albino coloration......

hi jared, whats up?? Looking at the picture closer i see there is more white than i saw wen first looking at it.. ive seen many that had white scales that shed out.. but this looks different.. they are almost always if not 100% come from het albinos and seem to be a partial albino. Ive seen partial albinos in lots of wild caught snakes, where sometime, they have albino bodies and normal eyes, or albino eyes and normal bodies or partial pigment as albino and the rest normal.

For sure post pictures after it sheds..

not a paradox albino!
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Correct me if I am wrong, but a ringer has no pattern in the area where the ring occurrs. Jared's pic shows there is clearly pattern, just no black pigment in the area where the ring is. Also note the yellow spot towards the neck of the snake, also lacking black pigment.

Be sure you know what you are reffering to. I have been doing this for over 10 years now. I have seen/worked with well over 2 million ball pythons in just the last 8 years........

A ringer is a much different animal!!! If you look at the pics of what i posted you can see thre is melanin missing ( an amelanistic patch ) and an increase in xanthophores...i.e. the intense yellow coloration as seen in albinos.

Please dont just take a guess and think your correct..

Just my $.02

Jared H

To the untrained eye it might seem like it is a ringer but its very different.

I dont think its a paradox albino..... its more a paradox het.

The snake is showing that it has the albino gene. Almost like a pastel shows that it is het for super pastel.

Paradox albinos are albinos that show normal colors...
Paradox Hets are normals that show albino colors.....

Just my $.02

Raul

2 million, someones imagination is running a little wild!

Eric

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He would have had to handle 685 different snakes every day to have handled 2 million snakes in 8 years. WOW, That breaks down to about 28.5 Ball Pythons every hour of every day for eight years. Thats quite an accomplishment.

to the Ball Python game? He has seen his fair share of ball pythons, possibly not 2 million but im positive it is a huge number none the less. He is a good guy with amzing animals!
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Yu do the math.........

If i handle roughly about 100K imports a year.....for your right......its about 800K in 8 years........since i been at this for oh say............over 10 years Id say thats over a million balls..............give or take a few..........so i fibbed......I was of fby a million.......

SUE ME!

Jared

I'll let you off the hook since the point you were making was correct. Does that thing have white on both sides or just the one?

Eric
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it has the full patch on the one seld...and a bit further up on the opposite side it has a small marking, and also up by the head/neck area.

Jared

I've seen over two million ball pythons as well. I was at Daytona and Tinley Park this year. lol

You are right but all the pics I've seen of Paradox Albinos are albino snakes with a couple patches of black here and there. I guess I would then have to be in the same mind as the person that called it a paradox normal.
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Here is a 50% het albino female that I produced this season. She has a few spots that contain the albino yellow as well. Not nearly as drastic as yours, but I would like anyone's thoughts on this animal. I sold it to Robert Fenton and he sent me a pic not too long ago that should the yellow spots getting bigger and more visible. Anyways, here is a pic of that animal the day that I shipped it.

Yours is an awesome looking animal by the way, I would love to see more pics of it.

Dennis Grimsley

I'd bet my left one that snake is a 100% Het for Albino. This is very similar to the first Brindle Burmese that Lubo Kovar was working with in the Ukraine.........

The "Brindle" Ball Python has a nice ring to it.........

That makes 4

Robert would be very glad to hear your words, Jared. I thought it could possibly be some sort of paradox but had never seen one before. Guess I should have held on to that one, lol.

I believe that the original Paradox Albino Boa was a 25% Surinam x Kahl albino boa with black speckling and a little black Hitler mustache.

That Ball python doesn't look very similar to the Paradox boa.

This happens in boas fairly often. All examples, from minimal to very extreme have been from parents that at the very least, one was het albino.

Characteristics of this trait have occured in Hets, Possible Hets, DH Sunglows, Poss DH Sunglows, Anerys het Snow, DH Snow, Poss DH Snow. And wierd results have occured in Albinos, Sunglows, and Snows.

There was something I read that could explain why this happens, but I forget what it is and where I read it.

A gentleman I kno win the Ukraine named Lubo Kovar breeds burmese morphs....... He is working with a line he calls "Brindle Burmese Pythons" which are in essence the same thing as this.

We can compare a boa to a ball and think that genes will work IDENTICALLY as they would in a different specie of animal.....

A pied cat and a jack russel terrier, also pied, are the same visible morph, yet they all look different......same thinkg applies here....

Ralph also hatched a paradox albino boa constrictor..."The Freak" in early 2000.........they are variable......just like fingerprints.....

Paradox Sunglow Boa from a litter of four this year.

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Thanks Vinnie Caruso
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Do you have pics of the brindle burms? Are they genetic? Thanks

I lost a lot of pics when my old computer crashed....i will try to find some..

theey used to be offered in the classifieds back in the late 90's early '00

Jared

it happens when ressive genes begin to overlap, Gene duplication occurs when an error in homologous recombination, a retrotransposition event, or duplication of an entire chromosome leads to the duplication of a region of DNA containing a gene.

blah blah blah

would it not be a paradox normal? with odd patches of yellow /white ?.....

would a reverse paradox albino not be a black snake with orange/yellow splotches that is actually an albino that came out backwards?

these are all normals.......even if they are odd,ringers,wierdly splothced.........even if they are het albino....what are they worth now? $400 a pair.......

........anyways......
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well........

Keep it to yourself..........no one wants to hear you snivle....

Like my mom always said.......if you have nothing nice to say go play in traffic!

Jared

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as the engineer says......this glass is too big for this amount of liquid.....

think about it......

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-----------paradox means unexplainable.....

they have not been proven genetic......yet they have had some pop up in the same line I think.....so maybe sorta -kinda genetic......

kinda like my gnetic black backed balls.....they are genetic but you never know how many you will get.......
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well........

>>as the engineer says......this glass is too big for this amount of liquid.....
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>>think about it......
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My dad's an engineer, and that definately made me laugh.

It's a normal snake with patches of something else. I'd really laugh if the snake shed off all those white scales with its first shed!

~jenny
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"God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh." - Voltaire

OK i think we all need to chill ALOT.....we are a special breed of humans...that is the ones that like snakes....and the women are even a more special breed that there are not to many of......hehehe....so since we are all snakeee buddies lets all be friends...state ur point and let it be....disagree or not lets all be nice....heheheh.....advice from a 15 yr old...heheeheh

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STOP IT..LOL..HEHEHEHE From a 38 year old....smile and don't loose your happy thoughts.did you ever find that snake you lost before it make front page news?

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Hoo said you cant lern from kids ? good post now if they will just all hear it!!!! Thanks David