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hi everyone,,,

i have two males that are willing to court whit my female arabesque at the moment, (hypo and a arabesque)
i didn,t expect that they both would like her,,,,,
so now i just want one male with her for the whole season,,,but wich one should i leave in there with her??????
i would really like some (SUPER) arabesques boas babys,,BUT i don,t know anything about some previous breedings ARAB X ARAB,, and nobody will tell me anything about it if i asked in the past at this forum,,,,,
any info about would be great,,,

thank you

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toine plompen,,,holland

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I would do the hypo on her. The arab x arab litter that has been posted in the past didn't really have anything that jumped out as an outright super, so although you might get homozygous arabs out of it, who knows which ones will be what. Plus hypo arabesques are great looking snakes.
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Randall L Turner Jr.
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i have to add that all 3 animals are poss het albino too.
and i agree with you that the hypo arabesque boas are great,,,
just wondering why there,s almost no data of arab x arab breedings available.

i just can not make up my mind ,,,wich male stay,s with her.
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toine plompen,,,holland

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There have only been a couple arabesque to arabesque breedings and none of them have produced clearly visible supers. It is assumed at this point that the arabesque gene is dominant with the supers not being visible from the het version. I saw a litter that was produced from arabesque x arabesque and there were some extreme animals
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Thanks Vinnie Caruso
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thank you Vinnie.

do you have any pictures of those animals?
if you do ,,,could you post them,, i,m very curious to see what they look like,
i have seen the (super) pics from Steve Hammond but would like to see more if there are any.

thanks in advance
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toine plompen,,,holland

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the only person that did an arabesque x arabesque breeding with "different" looking results was Jeremy Stone. However you're right, nothing really stands out as a definate "super."

Just my opinion, I would not be surprised if Arabesques turned out not to be a genetic morph at all, but rather a Locality of it's own. a topic that was discussed here once stays with me everytime I think about it, and thats the fact that Arabesques have longer, narrower heads. I certainly hope I'm wrong, because producing a Super Arabesque would be pretty cool, but I don't think it's going to happen.

Therefor, I'd have to agree and say to use the hypo male to breed her. Plus, if by chance both the hypo and arabesque prove out to be het albino, some sunglow arabesques are a sweet deal! I currently have a PK Arabesque het albino locked up with a Rich Ihle sunglow (pictured below, taken this past monday). So I'm hoping for some myself!

Good luck whichever way you decide to go.

oke! now you have me thinking
well if that will be the case,,,
maybe that,s why after all these years that the arabesque (morph)was first produced,,there,s some mystery over the whole ARAB X ARAB breeding,and half answers that been given to people that where asking about it.

my hypo male is in with her now and my male arab i put in with my sweetheart normal (with great color)for now.

thank you for your input and i hope someone else has some more info about all this aswell
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toine plompen,,,holland

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thanks and GOODLUCK with that beautiful pair you got locked up over there.
hope you will have some sunglow arab babys soon
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toine plompen,,,holland

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"the only person that did an arabesque x arabesque breeding with "different" looking results was Jeremy Stone. However you're right, nothing really stands out as a definate "super."

Just my opinion, I would not be surprised if Arabesques turned out not to be a genetic morph at all, but rather a Locality of it's own."

I thought only Steve Hammond bred Arabesque X Arabesque, and there were some babies that were missing saddles, and these are theorized to be the supers, time will tell.

And Arabesques ARE genetic, so I'm not sure what you meant by your second statement. It is just not known if they are a co-dominant or dominant mutation.

Their heads are different, Arabesques, along with a few other "Colombian" morphs have very unique traits. It may just be from geographic distribution, or it may be from the mutation. A mutation could affect th structure and shape of the head.

I am sorry, I stand corrected. It was Steve Hammond. Brain-fart there for a moment. Thank you for the correction.

Yes, I saw and even saved the pictures of the arab x arab babies, rather cool looking. Stretched out/missing saddles. However, as far as Ive seen, thats the only litter to have come out like that. I believe it was Glades Herp had some arab x arab offspring in Daytona this year, looked like normal het arabs to me.

Taking something into consideration. (I know this is crossing BCI x BCC, but bear with me) If we bred a normal argentine (BCC) to a normal BCI, we would have offspring that have traits of both, and all babies would look relatively the same as eachother.

That being said, taking the arabesque bred to a normal BCI, I have yet to produce arabesques of my own until this year hopefully, but I believe the litter would be 50/50 right? 50% would be obvious arabesques, the other 50% would be normal BCI. I guess from that standpoint, arabesque would prove out as a gene as you said. and I certainly hope you're right because I love the arabesques and have quite a collection of my own.

I don't know, I guess the science is behind it so far supporting what you say, but something just doesn't seem right. I guess I am not completely satisfied because the gene has been around for a while now and we still have so many questions about it. I guess time will tell, as if we haven't waited long enough.

It is genetic, and you do get (probability wise) 50% Arabesque/ 50% Wild Type by breeding Arabesque X Wild Type.

If it wasn't genetic we wouldn't have Albino, Hypo, and Sunglow Arabesques.

Also I'm not sure what you mean in crossing it into BCC blood, then saying Argentine (which are B.c.occidentalis). Some things may be confusing with the Argentine cross, because they have a similar connected pattern naturally and do pass this on to a degree into their offspring, however much broader saddles.

The supers that Steve Hammond produced where some INCREDIBLE looking animals. I would kill to have some. I hope to produce super arabs next year.

Joe

hi

i have seen and have the pictures of those animals her with me.
and they are stunning,,,but were there any more breedings with those animals?
i think they should be at a age that they could be bred to maby normals to see if they are SUPERS.
for many years the arabesques are here with us but there is a little silience when it comes to SUPERS.
we have supersalmons (no mystery)
we have super motleys (no mystery)
we have super jungles (no mystery)
but here we are again,,,,,,,,,how about the SUPER arabesques??????

if anyone has some more input,
your welkom
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toine plompen,,,holland

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My personal oppinion is to not use the term "Super" unless talking a codominant trait. I beleive homozygous or double dose would be better for dominant genes as there isn't that third phenotype to distinguish it as a "Super".

I also believe the Arabesque to be a Dominant mutation. But perhaps like the Dominant hypo gene, it's a variable dominant gene. Affecting the pattern as well as some color, with no real phenotypical differences between the Homozygous and heterozygous form. Just my oppinion though. I'm hardly a pro.

Rick
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Richard Carew
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Have you done any breedings with these animals yet? Or do you know anyone who has with these animals you produced?I think everyone has just been into crossing this mutation into other morphs that no one else has tried. I def will.

Joe

please if you have any info,,,,,
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toine plompen,,,holland

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