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Ok, I am writing this in response to the "panic" over Woma pricing as of recent.... I was asked to clarify a few points.

There will always be a place in here(where I reside) for the "who"...... did it...

Those Woma Tigers are most likely NON-HIDDEN GENE carriers...(As we know there has not been a single hidden gene combo from any of these animals).

This means, you breed one of those to a Lesser with a hidden gene and you will get the visible combo of the two. While is neat, it is NOT as remarkable as when you activate the hidden gene combo.

So, to clarify, these Womas are not clanking around the bottom of the barrel with hidden genes. They are cheap but this is NOT how you make the cool combos and other weird stuff we have made with the Woma gene.

Just the same as buying a Lesser Platty from "Daddy Platty".... the hidden gene has some AWESOME potential... A Lesser @ bargain basement prices is NOT the way to get a hidden gene.

Those that actually have a hidden gene carrier Woma/Tiger will know it.... I will make sure to keep them ALL to myself....

Well, at least some...

SATAN
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Thatis why my male and female lesser is from the original son of the platty daddy.
I also have sibs [normal] from the same male......

My female is soooooo light!

Who knows.
I got into the project trying to prove it out for platty daddy.
I can't wait!
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You should expect to make the Platty gene with that lineage...

People that buy any ol' Lesser should not mindlessly expect to do the same....

SATAAAAAAANNNNNN
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Kev,

so is there still thought that lessers carry the gene that can make an actual platty? From what I thought the idea is that the platty gene had to be carried on normal looking sibs from a platty breeding, correct me if I'm wrong. Another question, is the woma hidden gene the same as the platty gene and was it introduced into the woma project from breeding it with platty carriers?
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of female holdbacks and several rescue normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

Ok, I may be a bit clueless with the Platty hidden gene regarding the actual ingredients needed to make the full blown Platty..

In theory...there is a hidden gene that when doubled up(the super) overlapping the Lesser makes the Platty gene...

So ANY baby of the Platty should carry this hidden gene and that should occur with the normals or the lessers.... but if you have a Lesser with the hidden gene and it breeds a Platty(hidden gene exhibited) you can make White snakes... they could also have the Platty gene but it is masked because the snake is a blank white canvas... so the normal hidden gene carriers make Lessers with the hidden gene showing = Platty gene visible.

This is Ralph's bag and he gets to play in his secret lab.....I only get to think about it!

The Woma Tiger gene does NOT get its hidden gene from the Lesser or Platty!!

The two have nothing to do with each other in that respect. The strange thing is that the two hidden genes, one from each react and make some weird stuff! My original Woma Tiger had the hidden gene somewhere in them and it started playing tricks on me as things progressed...

I did not expect to see such a reaction between the Lesser x the Woma Tiger gene... this is part of the magic of playing with mutations!

People should not expect to make crazy things without having the right ingredients..... I have already seen some of the results, they were nice but they wanted to know why theirs did not look the same as mine. Something is missing...

Hope this helps, but when is "Satan" ever really helpful???

SATAN
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I don't know anything about the woma hidden gene.

However I've been following the platy for some years and it seems the question of how it is produced is not yet settled.

There are two basic opposing theories:

1. A Platy is a lesser that is also homozygous for a recessive "hidden gene".

2. A Platy is a lesser with the addition of a single "dilute gene" that may well be yet another allele (different version of the same gene) in the lesser/butter/phantom/mojave/Vin Russo group.

Under theory 1 your best bet to get the extra genetics to make Platy and not just lesser is to buy a lesser that is an offspring of a Platy. With this theory we should eventually see a Platy produced by two lessers.

Under theory 2 no lesser or leucistic could even carry the extra gene to turn a lesser into a Platy. Per the allele part of this theory a leucistic wouldn't have room for another version of this gene because it already has two that combine to make leucistic and if a lesser had this gene it would already be a Platy. Basically under this theory the Platy is one of the more colorful types of super/leucistic that this group can produce (toward the super Mojave or super phantom end of the spectrum). However, this theory requires the strange twist that this dilute gene is different than the other genes in this group in that not only do the hets look even more normal than a phantom or Vin Russo but that there either doesn’t seem to be a visible or a viable homozygous dilute.

Satan how many "different" lines of Womas are there?
With the Lessers I thought that all originated from Ralphs original Platty Daddy. I take it this is not the case with Womas. If that were true with the Lessers wouldn't it be safe to assume that all Lessers are poss het Platty Daddy? I thought this was also the case with Womas?

Thanks Brent

They came from my line originally and are the offspring from a single animal. This animal is most likely a non gene carrier.

People have bought these Woma Tigers (not from me) and then ask me about making some of the weird stuff with them. A few have even made combos and they were not able to make anything super strange.... I don't think they have animals with this hidden gene.

SATAN
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Where did this strange gene originate from?

The original WOMA!!!

SATAN
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so Kev where exactly did this "mystery" gene come from? Did you know you were breeding it into the woma's or did it just come from a normal looking animal and give you a great suprise or what?
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Josh & Krysty Hutto
J&K Reptiles

Various Ball Pythons:::

1.0 striped vanilla
1.2 Citrus Ghost and hets
1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of female holdbacks and several rescue normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
over production of rats, lol
0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
1.1 corns

a BAD dog is MADE not bred, support the American Pit Bull Terrier as the greatest breed of dogs on Earth!!!!!

It was already in the Woma Tiger....I did not know it and I just realized it over time...

SATAN
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"Satan™" is a registered trademark of NERD, Inc. Any copyright infringment is punishable by ETERNAL DAMNATION and some other terrible stuff.