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Lately I'm seeing more and more postings of people selling both hypo. miami and crimson cornsnakes like they are different morphs. Excuse my ignorance, but isn't a crimson nothing more than a hypo. miami cornsnake. Has someone discovered a new hypo lineage (hypo B) that I'm not aware which would explain the need for the new name?

The only difference that i know of is that the hypo miami created by Don soderberg,focuses more on the silver-gray background than most other crimsons.
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Arlon Delorge
Classic Constrictors

>>Lately I'm seeing more and more postings of people selling both hypo. miami and crimson cornsnakes like they are different morphs. Excuse my ignorance, but isn't a crimson nothing more than a hypo. miami cornsnake. Has someone discovered a new hypo lineage (hypo B) that I'm not aware which would explain the need for the new name?

it can also be that someone just preferred to name it something simple and catchy from a marketing standpoint instead of listing a long line of genetic terms as the name (which can get a bit bogged down when dealing with a snake created from multiple morphs/hets as can happen with say ball pythons).
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PHWyvern

the man who started the Crimson morph, Rich Zuchowski...(copied and pasted from his webpage)

"This is basically a hypomelanistic Miami phase. An idea that was rather late blooming, considering how long Miami Phase and hypomelanistics have been around. Perhaps it was the unfortunate circumstance that most of the Hypomelanistics available back in the late 80s were mostly deeply orange colored and it would have been a step backwards to infuse all that orange into corns that were selected specifically for the LACK of orange coloration in the background. But I decided to bite the bullet anyway, and surprisingly enough, the early results were very promising.

To get a good idea of what we are dealing with here, just take your typical Miami phase corn, which is attractive in it's own right, and make all of the colors about twice as bright, and you have an idea of what the Crimson looks like. Of course, it helps if you've been doing selective breeding with the Miami phase corns for over 20 years. The name 'Crimson' originated from the brilliant red coloration that the dorsal blotches can have in many of the babies. Of course, there can be some substantial changes taking place as the animals mature, but you still usually get quite an attractive looking snake as an adult.

Coloration in the ground color tends to be more towards the gray spectrum, in keeping with the ancestry of the Miami Phase corns, but even some producing the orange background can be very stunning looking. The dorsal blotches typically are orangish red, with some leaning more towards orange and others toward red. Some particular animals will have a more maroon coloration to the blotches that is quite pleasing to the eye. In some instances the stock has come from the Milk Snake Phase offshoot of the Miami Phase corns, and these will typically produce animals with very large dorsal blotches and often very pronounced contrast between the dorsal blotching and the ground color."

Hope the above quote helps.

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

...Crimsons are generally red to orange with very pale orange/tan backgrounds. Hypo Miamis have red-to-orange saddles (lighter than the non-hypo variety), thicker borders, and silver backgrounds.

I have a specimin of each, and they look very different from one another.

-Kat
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This Space For Rent

I bought her as a "bloodred" I did not think a good one. But her color changed a lot in 3-4 sheds. The Don S. himself identified her as a crimson from pictures here. He said mainly due to belly pattern.
I am so lost on what a bloodred is now. My first one had a red belly, but many people now tell me they are white, NO color?

So, shes now a crimson! lol. Shes a bad arse snake that acts like a pine snake. There are a lot more pics in the calico folder if you want to look. Shes developing white on her saddles, and I was hoping some odd calico may have been closer than bloodred. I know repeat pictures, I only posted because of the topic.

http://www.herpzilla.com/fun/corns/calico/

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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

I'm just taking a wild guess, the crimson has been out longer?

Rule is newer more money. And of course demand.

Just my thought on the price difference.
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Thanks for reading.
Big Tom

www.herpzilla.com

After I read that article, I still couldn't understand why a hypo miami would command a price tag of $150 and a crimson a price tag of under $35.

Hence, why I was curious what their difference was.

were they both adults? and from the same person? some have interesting hets which make them more....for example a lavendar het would be a little more than a non-het. maybe that could be? it could be 100 things and i would name them all, but i'm at work... working VERY HARD

~kin
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude) [just a pet...she started it all]
1. unknown hypo? normal? (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
2. Miami Phase part zigzag (Starkey, Mcvitty)[Emilys F2]
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy) [Emilys F1 babies]
.1 Amel (Pepperoni)
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss HET Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Hypo HET Stripe (Gracie Lou)
1.1 Anery HET Motley (Lleroy, Persia)
.1 Candy Cane (Peaches HoneyBlossom) [Just a pet]
1. Abbotts Okeetee (Albert) [Charlottes son]
1.1 Snow (NO NAME, Isis)

Others:
1.1 Black rats (Willard, Cecily)
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)
1. High-white Reverse Spotted Cal King (Wishbone)
.1 Albino Stripe Cal King (Eve)
.1 Bananna spotted/stripe cal king (no name) Thanks Jeff!!!
1. MSP Thayeri (Guiseppe)
1.1 Creamsicle HET Motley(Orangejello, Genevieve)
1. Creamsicle motley (no name) Thanks Jimmy!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LEOPARD GECKOS~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. Normal het Midnight Blizzard (Mr. Spot)
.1 Blizzard (Blitz)
.1? unknown High yellow and brown spots...hypo? (no name)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLES~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)
.1 snapping turtle (no name, ideas welcome)
~~~~~~~~~~~~OTHER~~~~~~~~~~~~
0.0.1 American toad

http://www.cornsnakes.net/cornprice.php3
http://www.nwherp.com

crimson (hypo A miami)
hypo miami (miami + could be hypo A, B {sunkissed}, C {lava], or D {ultra})

From: http://www.kornnatterlexikon.de/index.php?action=2§ion=222#HYPO%20MIAMI

"Just like the CRIMSON, the HYPO MIAMI is genetically a HYPOMELANISTIC that should have typical MIAMI PHASE attributes. The difference between CRIMSON and HYPO MIAMI is a little different orientation in the breeding goal. A HYPO MIAMI should really have a clear silver background without any yellow and the saddles should be bright, deep red."