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Hi, I just purchased a snake and I was wondering wether anyone has ever bred a taiwanese rat snake to an amelanistic corn snake.

He is a very gorgeous snake, has the facial marking of a taiwanese rat snake but the colourations and markings of a carpet python. Very unusual, but not as big as taiwanese rat snake babies. Only about 20 cm max, rather than 40cm.

Can anyone advise as to wether or not this have ever been done before as I have never heard of it.

I will hopefully be able to put up some pictures at the weekend if anyone is interested

Thanks
Katie

2.0.0 Cornsnakes
0.0.1 Jameles Ratsnake (snake in question above)
0.0.1 Western hognose
1.1.0 Hogg Island Boas
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I would like to see one of those, haha! As far as I now this has never been done or even tried before, and if I'd take an educated guess I'd say it propably can't be done. First there is a major difference in adult size. Even a rather smallish Orthriophis teaniurus friesei is a way much bigger snake than the largest Pantherophis guttatus, therefore their genitals propably wouldn't fit making copulation an impossibility. Then there's the genetic incompatibility problem, since both lineages involved have been separated for at least 20 millions years. On the other hand, Pantherophis guttatus has been crossed with Elaphe climacophora, Elaphe schrencki and Rhinechis scalaris(!!!). I have never heard of a succesful breeding of any Old World / New World F1 hybrids though.

I'm very curious about your aberrant looking Taiwan Beauty. Could you post a picture please?

>>I would like to see one of those, haha! As far as I now this has never been done or even tried before, and if I'd take an educated guess I'd say it propably can't be done. First there is a major difference in adult size. Even a rather smallish Orthriophis teaniurus friesei is a way much bigger snake than the largest Pantherophis guttatus, therefore their genitals propably wouldn't fit making copulation an impossibility. Then there's the genetic incompatibility problem, since both lineages involved have been separated for at least 20 millions years. On the other hand, Pantherophis guttatus has been crossed with Elaphe climacophora, Elaphe schrencki and Rhinechis scalaris(!!!). I have never heard of a succesful breeding of any Old World / New World F1 hybrids though.
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>>I'm very curious about your aberrant looking Taiwan Beauty. Could you post a picture please?

It turns out that it was actually a japanese rat snake, is this still as impossible?

I will be able to post a picture at the weekend but as yet I don't have a camera I can use.

Thanks for your advice on the matter
Katie

2.0.0 cornsnakes (Ghost and Normal)
0.0.1 Jameles Ratsnake
0.0.1 Western Hognose
1.1.0 Hogg Island Boas
1.1.0 Argentinian Tegus

Well, that's another story entirely. As I mentioned before, Japanese Ratsnakes already have been crossed with Cornsnakes a couple of times, so it's definately possible that you own such a hybrid. I still haven't seen one of those, and I'm very curious about these, so please please please try to post a picture.

Herman, I'd be interested in seeing what an Elaphe or Rhinechis x Pantherophis cross would look like, if you happen to have any photos of those. Maybe crossing F1's is not possible. That would be interesting too. It's got me curious. I may have to try that. Thanks...

Terry

Hey Terry,

There was this article in Litteratura Serpentium (a Dutch snake magazin) a few years ago, posted by some Italian guy whose name I've forgotten. Anyway, the article was about a succesfull breeding between a male Rhinechis scalaris an a female Pantherophis guttatus. What I found particularly interesting is that no special tricks needed to be employed to get these snakes breeding. About half of the hatchlings looked like a normal Cornsnake, the others looked like something in between, a bit like one of those Gophersnake * Cornsnake hybrids. When the article was written, the hatchlings were just a few months old. I haven't heard anything about their survival rate or fertility since then.

Regards,

Herman.

The article was published in Litteratura Serpentium in 1999. It was written by Emanuele Cimatti. The article was named: "Elaphe scalaris ontmoet Elaphe guttata" ("Elaphe scalaris meets Elaphe guttata".

>>The article was published in Litteratura Serpentium in 1999. It was written by Emanuele Cimatti. The article was named: "Elaphe scalaris ontmoet Elaphe guttata" ("Elaphe scalaris meets Elaphe guttata".

Thanks for all the info, Herman.

Corn snakes are like "water". They seem to blend with everything.

We'll see what the future brings.

Terry