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im planning on getting some Azureus' and seeing that they can be kept with other animals, i was wondering if i could keep them with him...do you think he would attempt to eat them, or?(the snake)

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I don't know much about snakes, but I do know that they eat frogs in the wild. Why should this be any different?
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I think my frog owns a megaphone....

White's tree frogs : 1:1:0
Mantella viridis : 1:1:2

I've heard of some (at least one) people that have had at least limited success with a setup oretty much exactly like that. I would imagine they wouldn't bother a dart frog/s as long as they are adults and not juvis or babies. Even then, mixing species of any kind is not reccomended. If you absolutely feel like you have to do this, don't spare any cash. Get a really big tank to give everyone plenty of room to stretch and all captive bred (not ranched) animals. Maybe something like 100-150 gallon tank? Lots of problems arise there though. Hard for the frogs to find flies in that big of a tank so you might have to constantly have a hunk of fruit in there. Hard to keep a tank that big humid, and hard to keep track of the health of the frogs.Yeah, a lot of problems arise mixing species, I really wouldn't reccomend it, especially if you are a begginner or something...I would only do this if you have had some serious experience with both species, and lots of experience with zoo-quality habitat designing...lol (BTW, Dallas Zoo has a REALLY cool mixed-specie dart viv. everyone ought to see sometime that is like...probably 150-200 gallons and they something like 4 auratus, a pair of tincs, a pair of azures, and a pair of terriblis mints.)

ok thanks alot...think i could house them with RETFs? im planning on getting both, so...

RETF's would probably be pushing it...big enough to be food-worthy of a boa I would think. Still don't encourage specie mixing.

I wouldn't mix the darts with the red eyes either. Each frog has their own toxins that may be harmless to other red eyes but toxic to a dart and the other way around. Never mind that darts could probably easily be eaten by the red eyes. Why do you insist on combining? You aren't really doing your animals any favors by creating a stress factor for them. (I know, there are some people who combine with great results, but they have Experience with all the species that they are combining) Really, make one enclosure per species and enjoy them!
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I think my frog owns a megaphone....

White's tree frogs : 1:1
Mantella viridis : 1:3

Agreed. Forgot about the darts being RETF snakkies! DOH! Lol. Yeah, They each are awesome displays individually, I would just go with that dude. Safer and MUCH more humane if somethingg oes wrong. You might hate yourself forever if you killed some lil' azures haha...

I agree. One should have lots of experience with each animal before attempting to mix them together, even animals that live in the identical envronment in nature, but perhaps at a different level. Remember (and I am repeating myself one more time,) that a vivarium tank, however large it is, in feet or inches, is not the same as a rain forest of many meters of territory, up, down and sidewise. At best, we can only simulate a very small fraction of this to keep our dart frogs alive and healthy in separate tanks for each species. So at least, keep them separately at first, and learn more about their whims and habits first hand.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
6 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
7 D. imitator
6 D. leucomelas
6 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus
6 P. terribilis mint and organe
4 D. reticulatus
4 D. castaneoticus
2 D. azureus
4 P vittatus
2 P. lugubris

That brings up the subject of each individual animal too...on ATB might like excursions on the ground and harras whatever live down there, one might be a crazed frog killer who knows...Also I would like to thank Robotchicken for bringing this topic up. If an admin could they should sticky this thread. Would probably be good, I know this same question of mixing gets asked a lot and might help a lot of people out quickly.(Also, got my trivi's on a steady feed now, working on the 30 gal for them and I heard some kind of call, supposedly from the male...)

Personally I wouldn't house an Amazon Tree Boa and frogs in the same enclosure. I haven't heard of ATB's eating cold blooded animals but they may perceive the frogs as food.

it can be done and with sucess... I interned at the nashville zoo and they sucessfully kept 5-6 in a cage with a GTP, however there habitat was very nice.....

good luck

I as well, agree that mixing species is possible, and can be done rather well. Attempting to do so without considerable experience however is a settup for disapointment. If you'd like, purchase and keep each species individually in their own naturalistic enclosures, and then after a year or two, ask us again about mixing them

Also remember that while it can be done, there is no benefit to the animals involved.

Ian

Ian, you made another important point there. Mixing is for us, trying to display a variety of stuff, maybe to show it off, or make our place more colorful and exotic, not for the animals' benefit.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
6 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
7 D. imitator
6 D. leucomelas
6 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus
6 P. terribilis mint and organe
4 D. reticulatus
4 D. castaneoticus
2 D. azureus
4 P vittatus
2 P. lugubris

i'm sure thats true, but it's a ZOO, that means someone comes to their cage probally at least twice a day, theya re esperts on this stuff, and no offence to robot chicken, but unless you are a herptoligist or extremely experienced this isn't a good idea. why do you insist on having them together anyway? it will require a lot more time, money and effort when you can just house them more safely indivigually.

For one, I'm sure it's been done, but I wouldn't recommend it. In successful cases, I'm sure it was done in very experienced settings (not to say your inexperianced)...usually zoos. Amazons also spend 60% of their time on the ground or very close; I read that before I got my pair of ATB's, and sure enough it was very true, even with sufficient lighting and contact points for rest. I would also be afraid the darts would get into the snake's water supply, but that is less of an issue for amazons drink of their coils primarily. Feeding both would be an issue (ATB fed on frozen thawed is an easy solution to the snake), but finding the flies in a cage large enough for both? That's rare. The snake would also disturb the ground level of the cage much.
Two, give the guy a break haha; people have their opinions on what is enjoyable for keeping and what is not. I personally don't mix species but I could very easily see why one would want to. I'd think I'm not the only one who doesn't mix species who can understand why some mix, even though I never recommend it and keep both ATB's and Dendrobates.

Sorry buddy, but I have a feeling it wouldn't go that well. Hope ya extract the best of the information on these responces.
-Sean

thanks for all your advice guys! and i havent got this many replys ever before! ill be sure to keep them seperate to make sure they dont stress.

im also wondering, what if i made a big arcrylic cage, that had different sections so it would look like maybe it was all one cage, but they would have no contact with eachother whatsoever, make it were they all have seperate doors, but one universal misting system running through all 4(one for a pacman frog i was getting, but im sure he would eat the other frogs, and the snake eat him) sections...any advice on this? the thought just came to mind.

i just was thinking how cool it would be to mix some species and make it seem more like the amazon, thats why this thread came up because i was planning on getting all these before.

We have a display that at one time housed (ALL CB) dart frogs, ATB's, house geckos, cresteds, coquis and redeyes.

I'd like to make a few points:

A) CB darts are NOT toxic

B) redeyes do not eat frogs

C) ATB's eat warm blooded prey so none of the cagemates was considered food.

D) we do not mix WC and CB in community cages

E) Where did this concept of not mixing species come from? We do it all the time. We make good decisions on who eats what, CB vs WC, food/feeding requirements, temp/humidity issues... All this must be considered but it certainly is doable, and fun!

I hope I did not confuse the issue too much.
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I think the idea of a single very large tank with solid, but relatively unobtrusive clear dividers to separate the different genera and species that require the same general temperature and humidity conditions would be an awesome answer to the mixing controversy. You would be able to preserve the individual territories, prevent unwanted, (usually considered unethical) hybridization between dart species and morphs in particular--have the enjoyment of variety, tend to each animal's more specific needs, without inadvertently consuming the whole cake with a bad mistake, so to speak. It would probably take some cleaver engineering, and a lot of thought, but you could do something incredibly interesting and attractive with this.

I would personally consider glass rather than acrylic, although glass is more difficult to work with initially. It doesn't cloud up or scratch as easily as acrylic, and is easier to sanitize without affecting its clarity over time.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
6 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
7 D. imitator
6 D. leucomelas
6 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus
6 P. terribilis mint and organe
4 D. reticulatus
4 D. castaneoticus
2 D. azureus
4 P vittatus
2 P. lugubris

I have had success with guppies and tree frogs and I suppose many arboreal creatures could work as well. I have exo terra vivarium and the fish swim around the bottom and the tree frogs cruise everywhere else. The water is heavily planted so there is lots for frogs to grab if needed. The tree frogs are pretty comfortable as well in water. In general combing is difficult, but very do-able especailly if you think about it. I also have newts with fish. Guppies get eaten sometimes by newts, but they breed quickly so guppies are probably good food for newts. I could see fish, newt, frogs, and snake all in a tank. Just as long as snake is well chosen. Like with fish, a large fish will eat anything it can get in its mouth, so rule is similar sized fish (or mouths), but snakes have BIG mouths, but maybe a large snake is not interested in frogs, taste bad.

yeah, my ATBs about 6 feet long and hes 3 yrs of age. I tryed to feed him a pinky for a snack once...no success(had no adult mice and wanted to get him through till we got some)