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does anyone agree with this??? I Dont.

shuggie728 Oct 30, 2006 06:06 PM

"""look at a lizard's brain. It was one of the first steps to a central nervous system over something I will refer to as fused ganglia. Fused ganglia is a dense area of nerves that was a precursor to a central nervous system. Fused ganglia is commonly found in insects. Fused ganglia is found along the mid section back of an insect or where you would assume a spine would be if they had one. Besides heartbeat and other automated bodily functions (reflexes), fused ganglia offers instinct only! Eat, breed, social interaction (basic non adaptive), and response to external stimuli.

The lizard brain is not that much advanced. Without overcomplicating the issue with the Amygdala, Thalamus, and the Hypothalamus; I would have to state that the brain of a lizard is so simple, it is not self aware. It had the most basic functions with a few higher functions over fused ganglia.

These more advanced functions of a lizard's brain would also include social interaction. Don't misinterpret the term social interaction with what we know it as. It's more advanced brain would add territorial aggression and fighting. Remember that there is NO frontal lobe in a lizard. It has no idea why it fights. It has no idea that it is breeding. It's responses to outside stimulation (pain) is fully automated. BUT, it can adapt to outside stimulation. If you were to walk into a room with a bucket of cricket’s everyday at 3PM, the lizard does not know that you are walking in with a bucket of crickets, but has associated the action with food. Some misinterpret this as cognitive thought. This is very basic association to external stimuli.

Now to get to the statement of "being cruel". Lizards do not know the concept of being cruel. Lizards do not cuddle. Cuddling is something that advanced mammals are capable of. Lizards are not self aware and certainly are not aware that there is a female next to them. If anything, they would only display the automated breeding or fighting response offered by its limited brain functions. Your lizard does not love you or care for you. If you sold it tomorrow, other then an adjustment period to its new surroundings, you would be forgotten the second you handed it over. Lizards do not have emotions. Lizards do not think.

Keeping a lizard by itself eliminates the possibility of injury because of its territorial aggression response. It has no need for companionship. It does not feel lonely or bored. If it bites you, it does not hate you. Emotions are beyond its capability. If it were aware for a second of any cognitive thought, it would appreciate the fact that you gave full use of your own frontal lobe and provided safety for it and not imposed your own higher brain functions on it"""

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UroTamer Oct 31, 2006 01:34 AM

Whoever wrote that in my opinion has NO clue what they are talking about. For one thing they are generalizing a lizards brain as being equal to an insects. In order to consider such an idea you would have to know how a lizards brain really worked. The lack of a frontal lobe means nothing, those functions could easily be combined in another part of the brain. Sounds like someone trying to make a name for themselves by promoting a hairbrained THEORY which we all know is simple an opinion and does not need to be based on fact.
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naenaechan Dec 20, 2006 12:34 PM

I dont really know much about lizards as far as how sweet they can be be cuz my friend's Iggy is E-V-I-L.... But I dont agree with that. True, lizards DONT cuddle, but why would someone say they dont feel at all? Humans/mammals are not the only things in the world to feel emotions. Birds are VERY similar to reptiles and birds have feelings. .....

I've met a lot of sweet iggys though and they're so cool. They definately KNOW what they're doing when they do it. So I really dont agree with anything in that statement. Except that they dont cuddle. They really dont like that ^.^

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