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it is my understanding that many pattern mutations expressed in wild animals frequently appear in both recessive and co-dom form... in other words, the genetic stripe could be the recessive form of the supertiger - with slightly different pigments present/absent.

any thoughts on this???

two totally different color mutations - and i think others will echoe this- supers are very distinguishable to the season retic keeper from striped retics - stripes don't have the capability to reach the almost near patternlessness of supers and have more gray and you will never get a tiger from the breeding of two sripes or from a stripe to a normal

i don't know of any examples of morphs/color mutations that are present as both recessive and co-dom -maybe similar in appearance, but not the same

there are fires which are codom for platinum (all white) - but thy're very different from albino or amel
there are axanthics which are recessive and citrons(i think it's citrons) which are codom for titaniums(solid greyish dark) which are codom
but these are different and distinguishable from each other

there are instances in nature where traits are both passed in a simple recessive, or co-dominant fashion. the reason why is very complicated... maybe someone can illistrate this idea?

imo - i see more similarities between the genetic striped and the supertiger, than i see differences. obviously the mechanics of each trait is different.

they could be two forms of the same mutation, no?

If this was the case wouldnt you get genetic striped retics instead of all supers when you breed two supers together?

all tigers and supertigers originated from OnE single retic...

all g-stripes originated from a Single Pair of Snakes...

this is only ThrEE snakes in captivity that have contributed their genes to the captive population of retics... so does that answer your question?

james, i am specifically refering to "wild popluations" and the ability of one phenotypic mutation to be carried in both a recessive and co-dom fashion.

they are different - they may appear similar but the traits are not related

all i'm saying is - give me a trait that appears this way

codom - two tigers make a supertiger and a super to a normal makes all tigers - there will be no genetic stripes anywhere
a tiger to a normal will produce tigers and normals

recessive - two het stripes(normal) will make a striped retic, a striped to a normal will make all normal looking hets, NO tigers

you could breed a genetic-striped to a supertiger and cross the offspring back to each other to get a genetic-striped supertiger, but that is different than a supertiger with a stripe -->looks very different

the test for you - if you breed a genetic-striped to a super tiger - you will get all tigers - therefore they are not the same

please, i understand mendellian genetics, your not getting me... both supertiger and g-stripe have "striped" patterns... they could be the same mutation which are inherited in different ways.

simple as that...

but they aren't the same mutation, they look very different. To say they are the same mutation with different colors present and missing with different patterns is to say an albino is the same as a normal with different colors, it just isn't so.
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1.0 spider
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1.2 Albino and hets
2.3 het Pied
0.6 50% poss het pied
1.1 Pastel (male has additional gene going on with him)
a bunch of normal female breeders
a bunch of normal female holdbacks and several rescued normal males

0.1 columbian boa, she's a feeding monster, controls my
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0.1 brazilian rainbow boa, another rat eating monster
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That's a very interesting idea... A for instance that kind of echos what I believe you're trying to say is marble and granite borneo bloods. The visible morphs are nearly identical in appearance but granites are recessive and marbles are dominant. Even though a super and g-stripe retic are a bit easier to tell apart it is like I said, a pretty interesting idea.

i believe this phenomena isnt that uncommon... this kind of variation would only increase an animals fitness, which is a bonus.

another example of a mutation variation are the different forms of albinism... a true albino is suppose to be amelanistic (melanine is absent)...

yet we find in nature different forms of albino (ones where melanine is lacking, not absent), and to complicate things even more these forms arent compatable. will a co-dom form of albinism be discovered one day... it would'nt be imopssible.

another good example that comes to mind are leucistic ball pythons... i bet one day someone will catch one in the wild that passes on its genetics in a simple recessive fashion.

in contrast to pattern mutations (which could be advantagious and could increase fitness), color mutations usually arent very advantagious unless it acts to conceal the animal from predetors.

fitness is the ability of an organism to produce fertile and viable offspriing...

it is a measure of surviroship (the probability of making it to age X) and fecundity (number of female fertile offspring that survive to reproduce).

a trait that is advantagious in one form or another would increase fitness.

Brian it is Genetic Striped not genetic stripe. There is a D on the end of stripe.

Not a Genetic Stripe Tiger just a striped Tiger.

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Here is my dwarf tiger het genetic striped

More dwarf tiger het genetic striped pics.

I know, I know...nothing special, just normal looking tigers to yall...I have litteraly hundreds of pics of these animals. I'm pretty sure we would know then even full grown...