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I am concidering a ball breeding project, my first

I am interested in the albino's as well as the pie's and now im just trying to figure out exactly what I should get, im thinking maybe a male albino, female het albino or a female albino & male het albino because it s alittle cheaper and then later try to work in some pie's probably starting with 1 het pie.

Anything I should know before I purchase any of these animals?

What would be produced from a albino x het pie? A albino x pie? het albino x het pie?

Just trying to get a idea of whats possible and its quit hard to figure out!!

First off, it is called a Pied, or Piebald. There is no snake called the Pie.

Albino and Het Pied will create double hets for albino (100%) and pied (50%), and no visuals.

Albino and Pied will create double het= 100% albino and 100% Pied, no visuals.

Het albino and Het pied will have 50% double hets for albino and pied.

Hope that helps.
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thanks for your information, I do know the term piebald, I would have said piebald but I kept seeing this morph refered to as pieball .... so to play it safe and be sure everyone knew what I was talking about I went with pie

It looks like if I start off with a albino and a het albino project and then try to add piebald's later it would probably be best to go with a het piebald and breed that to the albino

(male albino het albino female and het piebald sounds like a plan).

But later after I start producing what happens if I breed the following ....

albino x dbl het albino/piebald = 25% het albinos, 25% double het albino/piebald, 25% albino and 25% albino het for piebald?

het albino x dbl het albino/piebald = (Out of every 16 babies): 2 Normal, 4 Het albino, 2 Het piebald, 2 double het for piebald/albino, 2 albino, 2 albino het for piebald? No piebald?

It might take me forever to ever produce a piebald going this route?

If I went dbl het alnibo/piebald x dbl het albino/piebald, this way I would end up with at least 1 albino and at least 1 piebald a bunch of hets and possible hets ??

How in the heck could someone produce a albino piebald?? That would be one bad looking ball python!!

I do quit a bit with crocodilians and working on some morph croc projects but have many years to go on all of them ...
1. albino siamese crocodile project (1.1 albinos)
2. albino caiman project (1 100% het male hybrid spec x yacare and 2 normal female specs)
3. I also have 1 very odd piebald siamese crocodile that I hope to do something with at some point, probably pair it to a normal or maybe to a albino or het albino.

Get whatever you like and go from there. It really just depends on how much you want to spend.

In my opinion, if you are just starting out.. I wouldn't go the double het route.. it is going to take awhile to prove anything out. I would think your first time around you would be happier producing visuals your first clutch, rather then waiting an extra two or three years from the time you produce your first hatchlings depending on what you actually buy. (yes i know it could be done in a year with the right male produced back to the right female but this is a beginner)

You can get a pair of het albinos pretty cheap right now. If you're lucky, you will produce albinos your first clutch. For about double what the het albinos are, you can get a pair of het pieds. Either way, it's a cool project.

Goodluck.
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Hi, thanks for the reply. Yes your right I think I would be happier if I were to produce some visual morphs, thats why I was thinking I should get a male albino, a female het albino and a female het piebald ... at least that way I would get some albinos fairly quickly.

BUT ... after reading your post and thinking about it, your right, the project that I was thinking will be exspensive and it will take a lot of time to sort out, I could just go all het's which would be a lot simpler, not so confusing, id be able to produce quit a bit of visual morphs and it would be cheaper, a LOT cheaper actually.

I could get 1.1 het albino's and 1.1 het piebald's quit a bit cheaper than what I was originally thinking (male albino, female het albino and female het piebald)and I would be able to produce visuals pretty quickly and be much happier with everything .... then after I start producing I could play around with the hets, dbl hets and so forth just for fun.

Thanks a lot for your thoughts and suggestions!

Something to think about:

Why not get your het females now - I am assuming that since price is a consideration you will be getting hatchings anyway(?) not breeder sized females. Then in another year or two when they are ready (or about ready) to breed you can pick up your males for breeding - you can save up until then and get visual males to pair with the het females for better results. If you have the extra money get a couple of het albino females and a couple of het pieds and double your odds. The only downside is that you won't have a cool visual male to look at for another year - but you'll have a couple of nice projects in the works.
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Tosha

I will be getting hatchlings and yes cost is surely a factor. Your idea about the females hets now and waiting a year or two and then get visual males is a good idea and that would make the purchase easier as I could save up but the only downside I see to that is that if I did it that way the males might take some time before they are of breeding size .... another year or two for the males to be of size, correct??

I was thinking I might take advantage of some of the deals I see some breeders are offering, by het female and get a het male free or regardless the het females are the ones that cost a bit the males are pretty low in cost. I think I will get the hets, both males and females and possibly still save up and get some visual males .... your right some visual specimens to view would really make the projects a lot more exciting.

The more I research the BP morphs the more I want, wow I think im addicted already ..... I'm surely a late bloomer with regards to the BP morphs but late is better than never. I have really been looking to focus on something other than croc's, something interesting that will keep me occupied, help generate a little extra cash and not take up so much space ... I think BP's are the answer.

To be honest I never really paid any of the python morphs much thought, not since back in the day when the albino and green burms where BIG. I visited Crutchfield this past summer and his shop was filled with GTP's, ETB's and morph BP's, he was going on and on about the pastels and the spiders and really turned me onto them.

I think as of now my BP project list will go ....
1. albino's
2. pied's
3. pastel's
4. spider's
5. super pastel's
6. bumble bee's

I think I better stop there and at least get my first project going, but of course there would be side projects mixed in with the above 6 once I started producing and having some surplus BP's to play around with.

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