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I’m going with a theme here along with the last new post...
Just curious about the ghost. I think it was bluerosy who mentioned in a previous post that the New England axanthic was not used in the ghost? I think he also brought up the idea of using that and a real pale-type hypo to refine the trait further. I can’t wait to see that. Unless I am just imagining a difference, I have seen two typical forms. One is basically regular axanthic looking with a slightly hypo look to the dark. Example @ this link- Type 1 ??
The other is a really pronounced pinkish color to the dark. Example @ this link to photo on crimsonkings excellent website-
Type 2 ??
I was wondering if these two different looking ghost are compatible, or have origins in different hypos or axanthics or both?
To make a long post even longer- some refer to anerythristic and some refer to axanthic- what the heck is the difference and would that have anything to do with origins, compatibility or differences in the ghost trait?
Thanks for your help.

Yes those two are comapatiple.

As with any clutch you will have a variety of spectrums from light to dark and everything inbetween. The juvi from Mark is a very nice example of a Ghost.

All axnthics that have used to produce ghots been Lemke line. But there also have some nice Lemkes from outbreeding the lines over the years. Using a NE axanthic will improve the look some,..well, .. if at least on par but more consistent with what Crimsonking has. We will have to wait and see what the NE x hypo ghost will look like because as of now I don't know of a single person who has bred the NE line into the Hypo. I also think using the high yellow "LOVE" line of hypo (with the yellow bellies) would help produce a lighter ghost as well. The darker or high red hypos have more melanin. So that would keep the Ghost dark as hell.

Next year I will have the PB X Axanthics and I think they will produce a lighter looking Ghost. I already have a name picked out for them..Phantom Brooks. yee haa!

Thanks, great info as always. Do you happen to know the line of hypo used for the Ghost? And are there lines of hypo that are not compatible? It would seem in the true definition of hypomelanistic that there would be no difference there either except the basic amount of melanin, but is that true? Or maybe we should consider that under the thread “Hypo Brooks...What’s the story??”

Here's the parents to that guy above...

female axanthic het/hypo and male 2x het/ghost

:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

this is a product of beard line axan het hypo xhypo het axan.And also two years ago i bred my high yellow hypo to a NE axan fem who got egg bound after 2 eggs and passed away a year later after Vet and patience .
well i have a Fem.DH from the Hi Yellow Hypo xNE Axanthic and THIS male from the Beard line ,is it ghost or Axanthic?
and do you think that the NE Axan line is compatible with the Beard Axan line?

this is a product of beard line axan het hypo

Chris,

Beard only had the hypo line. He did not originate a line of axanthics.

The Beard line is not as yellow as the LOve line and has speckles on the belly whereas the Love line has a clear yellow belly.

Maybe I misunderstood your meaning of the post regarding the Beard line axanthics. SO forgive me if I did.

i purchased hypo het G and a axan het G from doug Beard maybe without re-reading psts its Lemke line??????
and beard is known for Ghosts so i called it Beard line of Axans do you think its compatible to the Rainer line of Axans

Yes those are all compatiple line. The blue ones are . SOme of the black and white axanthics may or may not be. I am not sure what Tim Ricks used. I think he used tow different types of axanthics. One was the Blue (Lemke) and the other is a black and white line. I think Jeff Lecompte (jjl) can answer the question of the B&W line .

BHB sells a line that is INcompatiple to the blue (Lemke and NE's)

I do remember Tim having what (I think) he called "pale" axanthics as well as "normal" axanthics and some that were crosses of the two. Do you have any idea what those were?
I traded a hypo for one of the "pale" ones a few years back and someone talked me out of it.
They just didn't have as shiny of an appearance as the others but I really don't know why.
Some FL kings (wild) also have a bit more "grainy" texture to their scales and I wonder if that, when in combination with the axanthic, produced those paler snakes?
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

www.crimsonking.funtigo.com

Tim also had Snows Glossy or ? .........C

Tim had the Pearl snows. I forgot the secret ingredient though.

I bred ghosts for 6 years. Some come out like firecrackers, some are hard to tell from an axanthic. The original line originated from Llemke axanthics and Beard hypos. The Llemke line has axanthics that are more variable it seems to me than the new england strain- some are so good and others are much darker...the Beard hypos I saw at that time always seemed to be nice light yellow animals. I don't know the relation of his line and that of Love or Krysko lines. Mark's ghost is going to be goooooooood...
The sister of Mark's axanthic femal (het hypo)was a ghost and was one of the best female examples out there. The 2x het mother of both of these animals was the most outstanding normal phenotype brooksi I have ever seen. I traded her to Brandon Osborne , he had her for quite a while and took an amazing picture of her on a blue background- a huge yellow speckled beast. I encourage you to search through his photo gallery and see the pic yourself...
i don't know if anyone ventured out in the last several years to take a good new england axanthic and bred it to another line of hypo to see if there would be any difference in the ghost phase. I would like to see what would arise from Mark's nice yellow hypo brooksi pairing up with a nice new england axanthic, and i'll be interested in what comes from Rainer's phantom project.
Daveb

here is the only DH NE X Hi Yellow hypo female