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Liquid calcium

kensopher Nov 09, 2006 06:46 AM

I think it's important for us to share things that we discover, like, and dislike regarding box turtle care. Let's face it, research and development by corporations are no substitute for people like us.

I won't mention a specific brand name, but I'm VERY pleased with liquid calcium sprays. It's much easier to spritz a feeder insect than dust them. The best thing that I've found is that my turtles don't even seem to notice it's there. They would often avoid dusted prey. They'd even eat around the dusted areas on earthworms. I can mix it in with the prepared food concoctions that I make, I can inject it into pinkies or earthworms, and mix it in with drinking water. Dusts always made these activities difficult for me due to their poor solubility in water.

A couple of downfalls that I've found...if you allow it to dry on a surface, it is almost like a hard water stain and can be difficult to remove. A vinegar solution works for me. Also, it immobilizes earthworms. I haven't used it when fortifying earthworms for my very young hatchlings, as they typically require prey to wiggle. Actually, I'm happy that it immobilizes earthworms for my older babies since they often escape...my wife just LOVES to find dessicated wormies on the carpet!

With mealworms, waxworms, crickets, and superworms you have to spray lightly so that it doesn't clog their spiracles(breathing holes).

I'm now branching out to the liquid vitamin products. We'll see if I get positive results.

Note - I still have a couple of needles and syringes that I use to inject the solution into worms and pinkies. It works great for supplementing aquatic turtles, since the coating would immediately wash off in the water. If you find a small enough one, you can use syringes made for injecting marinade into meat. In this case, you have to exploit an opening that is already in the prey item as these are not sharp...use your imagination, no need to get graphic. I wouldn't recommend needles unless you have plenty of experience working with them.

Replies (11)

StephF Nov 09, 2006 08:14 AM

Thanks! And yuck!

PHRatz Nov 10, 2006 08:25 AM

I've been using a liquid calcium spray for Chip because he's the most picky of the turtles here. I have such an easy time getting calcium and vitamins into the others by using dusted crickets or dusted nightcrawlers. Chip refused to recognize crickets or nightcrawlers as food.
I can't get the powders to stick to the worms that he will eat. So I've been spraying them immediately before giving them to him.

Janie is a little picky too. I can get dusted nightcrawlers into her but she too refuses crickets.
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PHRatz

PHRatz Nov 10, 2006 08:29 AM

btw I've injected liquids into freeze dried tubifex worms and brine shrimp cubes for the aquatics in the past. I don't much care for feeding them freeze dried foods but these cubes soak it up like a sponge.
Pinkies.. I bought some once for my aquatics, they wouldn't recognize them as food, couldn't get my frog to go for them either. LOL
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PHRatz

kensopher Nov 13, 2006 06:01 AM

That's a great idea! I never thought of that.

I actually condition most of my aquatics to take food from hemostats. When they are hatchlings, I offer them their favorite food via hemostats at least once a week. It is a good way for me to check their appetites and their strength (I'll play tug of war ). After a while, they'll respond like starved jackals to the sight of the hemostats. They'll take virtually anything from them. When they're large enough to take a tiny pinkie in one gulp, I give them about one every other week. More than anything, it's my way of ensuring an easy method of getting the turtles to take vitamins, minerals, or medications. I can inject just about anything into a pinkie. As Steph said, "Yuck!"

StephF Nov 13, 2006 04:56 PM

"After a while, they'll respond like starved jackals to the sight of the hemostats."

Pavlov's hatchlings?

golfdiva Nov 14, 2006 12:53 AM

Lol!

While we're on the subject, has anyone tried/researched the crickets you can buy that are already gut-loaded? I saw them at Petsmart awhile back. I bought some and the turtles ate them up. But I haven't gotten around to research exactly what they are loaded with! lol!
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0.1.0 ornate box turtle
1.0.0 eastern box turtle
1.0.0 Yellow belly slider
0.1.0 Red belly cooter
0.1.0 Australian shepard
1.12.0 chickens
3.2.0 children (do I still count the married ones?)
1.0.0 husband

kensopher Nov 14, 2006 07:04 AM

No, I haven't tried them. I purchase virtually all of my feeders by mail in bulk, when my breeding colonies run low. Are they alive or dead?

golfdiva Nov 17, 2006 07:03 PM

They are alive. My turtles liked them. But I couldn't find where it said what they were gut loaded with. So I was wondering if'n they were any good. They weren't all that expensive.
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0.1.0 ornate box turtle
1.0.0 eastern box turtle
1.0.0 Yellow belly slider
0.1.0 Red belly cooter
0.1.0 Australian shepard
1.12.0 chickens
3.2.0 children (do I still count the married ones?)
1.0.0 husband

PHRatz Nov 14, 2006 10:15 AM

I bought some crickets there in the summer & the clerk asked me if I wanted them dusted first. I said no.
Then she gave me a speech on how they need vitamins & when they dust them first the crickets will groom that off themselves & will be gut loaded. I wonder if what she was telling me is what they mean by already gut loaded?

I told her no thanks I do my own dusting & gut loading. I hate it when they talk to me,
they're such experts there..(not) who am I to not take their sage advice? ROFL
These days with the "expert" they have working there now, I avoid the place as much as possible.
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PHRatz

kensopher Nov 14, 2006 07:05 AM

Heck yeah! What's that, operrant conditioning?

PHRatz Nov 14, 2006 10:09 AM

>>"After a while, they'll respond like starved jackals to the sight of the hemostats."
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>>Pavlov's hatchlings?

LOL!!!
Oh you guys are cracking me up here.
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PHRatz

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