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info on corns

dragonTaTu Nov 11, 2006 08:12 AM

How is everyone? My questions are basic. I have never "successfully kept corns" (I'll explain in a sec), but I do like the colors available, and of course the incredible prices I have seen througout the web, and am very interested in getting into keeping some. When I mention about being unsuccessful, I had purchased a baby corn several years ago from the local pet store, within a couple days of them getting it, so I had no idea of the feeding history. Long story short, it didn't eat, 1 month later I found him in his hide, stiff as a board. Always depressing when a pet dies, alas, cest le vive. But after being successful with other snakes, I am planning to try my luck with the corns again. Basically, the husbandry is familiar to me, and as long as I have a good eater, I shouldn't have any problems.

My questions are:

1. I have heard that their demeanor is very good, and as a pet are very tolerable to being handled. Correct?

2. Buying online. How can I ensure that I am getting a good quality, healthy animal? And what kind of guarantees should I be looking for?

3. Are there any breeders in the western Maryland, eastern WV areas? Would be nice to skip the shipping costs, also a chance to see the actual animal rather than just a picture. Plus a one-on-one with the breeder is always a plus.

Thanks for the info

Tony

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dragonTaTu Nov 11, 2006 08:32 AM

One more question. Are they social? or would keeping more than one in the same cage be bad news. I knows kings would eat each other. Don't wanna do that. heheh.

STEVES_KIKI Nov 11, 2006 08:55 AM

keeping more than 1 snake in a cage is a no no. see draybars post below.... but the good news is corns dont require much room!!! well, as opposed to other snakes

~kin
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~SNAKIES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Corns:
.1 Normal (Gertrude) [just a pet...she started it all]
1. Orange normal (Romeo)
1.2 Miami Phase (Hector, Emily, Charlotte) thanks jeff!
2. Miami Phase part zigzag (Starkey, Mcvitty)[Emilys F2]
1. Amel het Blizzard (Dunesbury) .1 Blizzard (Detta)
1. Classic het Hypo, poss het Amel, Anery (Cobra)
1.1 Classics (Henry VIII, Cassy) [Emilys F1 babies]
.1 Amel (Pepperoni) .1 Reverse Okeetee (Lonna)
1.1 Hypo zig zags poss HET Caramel (Bernard, Abegail)
.1 Hypo HET Stripe (Gracie Lou) 1. Hypo Stripe (Gideon)
1.1 Anery HET Motley (Lleroy, Persia)
.1 Candy Cane (Peaches HoneyBlossom) [Just a pet]
1. Abbotts Okeetee (Albert) [Charlottes son]
1.1 Snow (Crickle, Isis) .1 Green Snow (Maya)
1. Caramel poss het butter (Topher)
.1 Anery stripe (V) [husbands snake...he named it]

Others:
1.1 Black rats (Willard, Cecily)
1.1 Striped Cal Kings (Dweezil, Skunky)
1. High-white Reverse Spotted Cal King (Wishbone)
.1 Albino Stripe Cal King (Eve)
.1 Bananna spotted/stripe cal king (no name) Thanks Jeff!!!
1.1 Thayeri (Giuseppe[MSP], Cheyenne)
1.1 Creamsicle HET Motley(Orangejello, Genevieve)
1. Creamsicle motley (no name) Thanks Jimmy!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~LEOPARD GECKOS~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1. Normal het Midnight Blizzard (Mr. Spot)
.1 Blizzard (Blitz)
.1? unknown High yellow and brown spots... (no name)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~TURTLES~~~~~~~~~~~~
.1 white cheeked mud (Opel)
.1 snapping turtle (no name, ideas welcome)
~~~~~~~~~~~~OTHER~~~~~~~~~~~~
0.0.1 American toad

draybar Nov 11, 2006 09:00 AM

>>One more question. Are they social? or would keeping more than one in the same cage be bad news. I knows kings would eat each other. Don't wanna do that. heheh.

Ok, I can't help you on breeders in your area or possible shows but I can tell you there are quite a few breeders you could order from, on-line and be assured of getting the highest quality animals available.
I will mention two for now and as you do your search you can come back here to ask about any breeders you mave have questions about.
First would be Kathy Love of CornUtopia. Her web site is listed at the top of the main corn snake forum page. She is also the author of two great books "The Corn Snake Manual" and "Corn Snakes The Comprehensive Owner's Guide". Both are must-have books.
Next there is Don Soderberg of South Mountain Reptiles. His web site is also listed at the top of the main corn snake forum page.
Don has also written an excllent must-have book. "Corn Snakes in Captivity"
With either of these breeders you can't go wrong.
There are also quite a few breeders that pop in and out of here that are as trustworthy as they come. Smaller breeders, mid range breeders and larger breeders. We have them all.

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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cconstrictors Nov 11, 2006 09:15 AM

I agree, There are alot of small to big breeders out there,most are reputable, honest people. Some are not, make sure you do some research before making any purchases. Most of them will have been heard of by people on this site,so you can check here first. As far as Kathy and Don go, not only do the have great animals,but are top-notch people as well.Sean Niland at VMS also has nice corns.Hope this helps you out.
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Arlon Delorge
Classic Constrictors

cka Nov 11, 2006 09:10 AM

My questions are:

1. I have heard that their demeanor is very good, and as a pet are very tolerable to being handled. Correct?

You will ocasionally run into a corn with an attitude, but most are very handlible. Babies tend to more more flighty than an older corn, too, but "tame down" the more they are handled.

2. Buying online. How can I ensure that I am getting a good quality, healthy animal? And what kind of guarantees should I be looking for?

Do your homework. Ask questions, look for testimonials or references from customers. Number one guarantee should be that the animal in question is a successful, more than one time feeder

3. Are there any breeders in the western Maryland, eastern WV areas? Would be nice to skip the shipping costs, also a chance to see the actual animal rather than just a picture. Plus a one-on-one with the breeder is always a plus.

http://www.mdreptilefarm.com/shows/
This link has a list of show dates in Havre de Grace MD, Manassas and Richmond VA, none of them are that far from your location. As far as individual breeders the easiest way to find them would be to attend one of these shows. Barring that continued searches of the 'Net will turn up some local breeders. http://herpregistry.com/acr/Breeders.php?bid=0
You can also go here and click thru some of the breeders regiatered with the ACR to find one close to you also (be warned, the list is about 350 different breeders tho lol). Good luck

duffy Nov 11, 2006 01:36 PM

Since you seem to be within striking distance of one or more good shows, I would strongly suggest that you get your snake at one of these. Your combination of value and selection will be great, and as long as you pick one with a little size to him (no problem with an '06 baby, just buy one with some obvious growth under his belt), you should be fine. And you will, indeed, find that once you get off to a good start, your corn will be super easy to care for and have the qualities that you seem to be seeking. Good luck. Duffy

MurphysLaw Nov 11, 2006 07:40 PM

np

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If lead paint is so deadly why do they make it so delicious?

juicyb Nov 12, 2006 05:49 PM

What kind of corn is shown in your picture with the blue background?

MurphysLaw Nov 12, 2006 06:21 PM

>>What kind of corn is shown in your picture with the blue background?
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If lead paint is so deadly why do they make it so delicious?

draybar Nov 11, 2006 09:07 AM

>>My questions are:
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>>1. I have heard that their demeanor is very good, and as a pet are very tolerable to being handled. Correct?

Corns are very docile snakes and are very tolerant to handling.
Hatchlings can be a little jumpy and defensive but that is simply due to the fact that everything is a potential threat to them. With regular handling and time they will calm down and please you with their pleasent demeanor.

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>>2. Buying online. How can I ensure that I am getting a good quality, healthy animal? And what kind of guarantees should I be looking for?
>>3. Are there any breeders in the western Maryland, eastern WV areas? Would be nice to skip the shipping costs, also a chance to see the actual animal rather than just a picture. Plus a one-on-one with the breeder is always a plus.
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I addressed these questions in my other post

what I did forget to address was the co-habitation question.
I will post "my opinion" again to save you the trouble of looking for it

I feel it is best to keep snakes separate.
I know a lot of people can and do keep multiple snakes together without problems. I just feel the possible drawbacks need to be expressed.
When a person gets the experience and knowledge of each individual snake in his care, and wants to try co-habitation, it is up to them. They just need to be careful and observant enough to see and understand the subtle signs of stress in their snakes.
There can be definite drawbacks in co-habitation.
If one snake becomes sick there is a very good likelihood the other/others will get sick as well.
It may also take a while (usually too long) to determine which one is the sick one.
If one regurgitates its food you won't know which one unless you happen to get lucky and see it.
If one has a problem stool you won't know which one. Once again one may have a problem and by the time you figure out which one the other/others could end up with the same problem.
Although this is only a slight possibility, it is still a possibility and has been know to happen... one snake could eat the other. Cannibalism can and does occur with corn snakes. The smell of a prey item could trigger one snake to eat the other. Or simple hunger accompanied by a ready food source could do the same. Although uncommon, it has happened and is a possibility.
Another possibility is unwanted pregnancy. A female may become gravid and you may not have the knowledge, desire or ability to incubate the eggs, care for the hatchlings and find homes for them. With hatchlings comes added responsibility.
A lot of people rationalize by saying, "I will just put two males or two females together". That can work but mistakes can be made, especially with hatchlings. You could easily end up with a male and female.
There is also a chance of a female breeding too young or too small and becoming egg-bound. Although uncommon, it is a possibility and can happen.
With multiple snakes in the same enclosure you could easily loose them all if there happens to be an avenue of escape. Instead of losing one you could loose two or more depending on how many you decide to place together.
With multiple snakes in an enclosure, one or all of them could be stressed by the presence of the others. Stress can cause a drop in appetite and other health problems as well.
People will put multiple snakes in an enclosure and ask why one isn't eating.
When they are told it is probably due to stress caused by the other snake, the response is almost always the same "they like each other, they are always under the same hide together". Well this probably just means "that" hide or area of the tank has the optimum conditions they are looking for.
Snakes do not LIKE each other or ENJOY each other’s company.
There is no capacity for snakes to "like" or "enjoy".
I have kept multiple snakes together, without problems, but have made a choice to keep them separate. There are NO good arguments as to why you SHOULD keep them together but there ARE several good arguments as to why you SHOULD NOT.
So, in my opinion, although people do it successfully I just don't think it is worth the risk.
If you decide to keep multiple snakes together, watch closely for any signs of appetite loss, shedding problems, regurgitation or “personality” changes. These could all be signs of stress.
You would also want to feed them in separate containers and give them an hour or so before putting them back together.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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wisema2297 Nov 13, 2006 04:40 AM

look up East Coast Colubrids on the internet. Peter Jolles runs ECC and is a great guy also. He is in Maryland but not sure if east or west.

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