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Has anyone ever got a CBW Permit?

scope1145 Nov 12, 2006 11:36 AM

Hello Everyone,

I want to buy a radiated tortoise but I live in Missouri. I have the application for the CBW permit. Im having trouble completeing the summary part, where you describe why you want one and your experience with the species and related species. I have a lot of experience with turtles and tortoises but I still dont know what to write down. I just want to insure that I have the best chances of not losing the $200 non-refundable fee and most of all getting the tortoise. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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JohnH Nov 12, 2006 01:41 PM

Assume federal permit, not state. . .

Some states like NY and IL require state permit for ESA animals too. Copy this link and proceed.

http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-41.pdf

It is self explanatary but you need to highlight the following bullets as best and as thoroughly as possible to speed the process:

-Purpose- acquiring diverse surplus stock from existing breeders. That is, spread the gene pool around. List prospective breeders to acquire from. This is key. Guys like Bill Zovickian, Steve Hall, etc. who are already known to the USFWS biologists who process the paperwork.
-Outline experience with husbandry of other tortoise or turtle species. Highlight past success at propagating or you will need to get mentor letters from other breeders saying they will supervise you. Best to have at least 5 years experience stated.
-Try to get at least one specimen within your state first, but not necessary, to show you already provide husbandry to radiata.
-Advise you will participate in the Bronx Zoo studbook under the direction of Bill Holmstrom.
-Provide photographs and diagram of your setups and facility/yard. Discuss diet, heating, lighting needs, etc.

This will take you about 1/2 day to complete. Send off with $200, then wait 90-120 days. They will send you a form letter advising your permit in in process and assign a tentative permit number to you within 3 weeks. Permit is good for 3 years and renews thereafter for $100 every 3 years. It is VERY rare to not get a permit if you answer these simple questions. Worse case if that USFWS will ask you to clarify certain answers and perhaps delay the permit for an additional 30 days. Otherwise, you will get it no problem. I believe radiata will come off the non-native ESA before too long.

Good luck and get going.

scope1145 Nov 12, 2006 03:25 PM

Thanks A Lot!! Your response raises another question. I was also wondering...if I eventually want 2-3 of them, do I need 3 permits or only the original one and I just pay every 3 years. Thanks Again!

JohnH Nov 12, 2006 07:19 PM

The 3 year permit covers ALL transactions whether 1 or 100 of them. Buying, selling, trading, loaning, etc. for interstate commerce. Of course, one could gift an animal into another state without the permit.

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