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is there a difference? South Mountain has them listed seperately and there is a definite difference in appearance but Serpenco describes the crimson as being a hypo miami. The reason I ask is that I purchased an adult crimson corn 3 weeks ago and the person I bought it from said it was the same as a hypo miami (this animal is serpenco stock) but when I compared to pics from both sites it looks just like the hypo miami shown at South Mountain and not much at all like the crimson's on either site. The ground color in this pic looks more brown than the grey it really is in person.

I'm not sure what the difference is. Crimsons are also listed as a "Hypo Miami" Maybe the ones that have a higher silver/red contrast are listed as Hypo Miami? A good morph website linked below, but it only has a crimson pictured on it.

http://www.dakotacorns.com/Cultivars.html

Both Crimsons and Hypo Miamis has their beginnings in crossing Hypo into Miamis. With two different breeders each working on their own line and selecting different traits that were pleasing to them the receipe of Hypo X Miami went the direction that each breeder wanted by the selection of offspring to continue the line. So it depends on how specific of a person you are on what you call them and what your standards are. It's pretty cut and dry what to call it if you buy a Crimson from Rich or Don. It's also pretty clear what you have if you get a Hypo Miami fron Don. Where the grey area comes in is what do you call it if your "Hypo Miami" corn does not come from Rich or Don? I choose to call the ones that look like Crimsons, well, Crimsons. The same goes for Hypo Miamis. In my collection only the animals that retain rich red saddles and a clean silver background earn the name "Hypo Miami".
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Carol Huddleston
www.lowbellyreptiles.com

I choose to call the ones that look like Crimsons, well, Crimsons. The same goes for Hypo Miamis. In my collection only the animals that retain rich red saddles and a clean silver background earn the name "Hypo Miami".
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>>Carol Huddleston
>>www.lowbellyreptiles.com

This is something that has always made me sit back and say HUH?
"Hypo Miamis" are the ones with the richer redder saddles while crimsons seem to be the more normal looking hypomelanistic miami corn.

I would think it wouldn't/couldn't qualify as a CRIMSON unless it had the deepest richest reds you could find on a hypomelanistic miami.

How does this work?
I just don't know enough about Miamis other then the fact that they can be special snakes.
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I've asked this same exact question a few months ago. I really wish I could find the information as there was a link detailing this difference. It basically came down to this:

crimson == hypo A miami corn snake -- end result, a hypo miami corn snake. Remember a crimson corn snake doesn't necessary have a grey background.

hypo miami == hypo A,B,C, or D miami corn snake -- end result, a hypo corn snake that has reduce melanin on a grey background.

Hypo Miamis only come in the Hypo A variety.
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Carol Huddleston
www.lowbellyreptiles.com

they have seperate cultivars listed. The crimson for $50 and the hypo miami for $150. I was just wondering what the diference was.

From: http://www.kornnatterlexikon.de/index.php?action=2§ion=222#HYPO MIAMI

"Just like the CRIMSON, the HYPO MIAMI is genetically a HYPOMELANISTIC that should have typical MIAMI PHASE attributes. The difference between CRIMSON and HYPO MIAMI is a little different orientation in the breeding goal. A HYPO MIAMI should really have a clear silver background without any yellow and the saddles should be bright, deep red."

that makes more sense now, thanks!

It explains the differnce well. Based on what I've read and seen frim the pics mine is a hypo miami as apposed to the crimson.

Thanks for that information on the Hypo Miami vs Crimson debate. That's one of the best sites I've seen, listing and describing all the corn morphs.

Steve

I have seen that site before, but it comes up in a different language for me. Anyone know how to translate it, or give me a link to the English version?
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I did a google search for that site and translated it before opening.
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****Misty****

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"Time flies when you can't remember what you did yesterday!"

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