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Can someone please describe the differences between the various pastel lines? (e.g., What's the difference between Graziani, Bell and NERD pastels?) Did each of these lines originally come from a specific wild caught mutation that were subsequently proven out, or did they result from cross breeding other lines to create a unique variation of a proven line? Also, do certain lines command higher premium than others, or are price premiums tied to how specific animals look?

Just curious. I see everyone touting specific lines and was wondering if certain lines functioned as premium brand names (kinda like Porsche vs. Ford).

Thanks!
Bruce

yes they were all imported lines of different people......pastels are pastels........all the same all compatible and all dropping in price to the point of not being saleable..........????????

if someone mentions lines that are not compatible that is just because they aren't actually pastels they just look kinda that way and were named wrongly?......

all marketing in the use of names........

......and I like pastels probably more than all other colors????......
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the bottom not only fell out of this market......
it sucked the top down with it......
.........screached to a stop

So there are no distinguishing patterns associated with various lines? Out of curiosity, which names generate the highest premiums?

In regards to falling prices, the ball python market seems to be the definition of a perfectly competitive market -- low barriers for entry and limited differentiation (if your statement is true that the various lines aren't distinguishable). This means that if someone lowers their price, they set the new price level and everyone is forced to follow suit. Eventually price ratchets downwards. I'd would think that if breeders develop a line that can be differentiated visually, then they shouldn't merely sell their snakes for others to replicate but rather patent their creation (if possible...I don't even know if they could legally defend their morphs) and license their animals to limit supply and take a cut of future sales made by others. There's no way Coke would make any profits if it merely sold its recipes to other cola manufacturers; they differentiate their product and then control supply/distribution.

Sorry for that tangent, but you raised an interesting problem with pricing.

Back to my original question: are pastel lines visually distinguishable?

You can tell the different lines apart, some more than others. Comes with experience. Some people have crossed the lines (no pun intended, lol) and the offspring are alike enough that you can't say "this one is Graziani and this one is a Bell" although maybe that becomes clearer with age.

Most lines they say "brown out" with age, while the Lemon line (is that NERD?) stays very yellow with high contrast. Grazianis I would describe as having yellow sides with a darker dorsum- kind of like spiders have white sides with a tan body (but not nearly so defined). Blonde pastels get lighter with age. Enchi pastels from Sweden are not compatible with the others. They are very orange. One line has a hereditary blackback look to them, almost a stripe of blushing down the back. Can't remember what they are tho.

That's my attempt at it. I'm sure there are others that can descibe each line more definitively (here's your chance).

Here's a helpful link:
http://www.nextworldexotics.com/hgpas.htm

And about the market- some people do control the availability for new morphs to keep the prices high. I would say that Ralph Davis is a good example. As many lessers as are available now, he is still 110% percent ahead of everyone else in proving the platinum genetics and combos out.

Huh?

I own this man's "SOUL"(debateable if he actually has one!) so if he is getting too much out of this deal I'll have to tear that BA-ASTARDS contract up!

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