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They are 18 month old Nicaraguans. You have no idea how many people emailed me when I had these up that I was misrepresenting them and they were actually baby Colombians I was trying to get more for. Very frustrating.
These are Nics. Hope you enjoy. I really like the fact that they look different from typical nics. And they are very tame.

To be honest, without the proper paperwork I'd be hard pressed to call them Nics. If anything I'd say they look Honduranish to some degree. Were they imports?

Steve-
They look like Nics to me....obviously alot of folks don't know what they are looking at. You may want to provide a little background and history with maybe a link to Ron's website?? Great looking Boas by the way.

CA's can vary greatly even in such small countries like Costa Rica and Nicaruaga.....

What did the first sentence of my post say? I'm going out on a limb here, but if they "Bluefields" Boas, then so be it. Thats all, nothing less nothing more. I know all about Central American Boas, I actually kept a few before all these new localities started pooping up. Back when nobody wanted them because they were dark and nasty. You'd be surprised what came from Nicuaragua, labled as Nicuaraguan, but the morphology was totally different

Why would you not think they were Nics unless they had paperwork?
Because they look different than what the typical Nic on the market looks like? These are from the opposite side of the island from where the commonly imported ones come from.

These are CB from parents collected from a specific location in Nicaragua. I have no reason to doubt the word of the person I got these from that they are anything other than pure Nicaraguan boas.

They are not some other type just labeled as a Nicaraguan boa.
This is exactly what I kept running into from many people. I would say they were Nicaraguans and people would tell me they weren't.

...Nicaragua is not an island. I have never been in Nicaragua but I have been within a mile of there along the Honduran border. I did not see any Boas there. I did see lots of Boas in Panama and there was enormous variation in Boa constrictor imperator from the very same locales. The borders of many central American countries are porous. Laws protecting reptiles and banning export from one country often result in snakes being snuck across from one country to the next so that they can "legally" be exported. Locale data is always suspect unless you were right there and caught the animal yourself. I think the only thing you can say for sure is that your snakes are Boa constrictor imperator. They have been calling imperators Colombian Boas since before I had my first one in the 1960s so please don't expect us to call them anything else.
Cheers,
Jeff

>>Why would you not think they were Nics unless they had paperwork?
>>Because they look different than what the typical Nic on the market looks like? These are from the opposite side of the island from where the commonly imported ones come from.
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>>These are CB from parents collected from a specific location in Nicaragua. I have no reason to doubt the word of the person I got these from that they are anything other than pure Nicaraguan boas.
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>>They are not some other type just labeled as a Nicaraguan boa.
>>This is exactly what I kept running into from many people. I would say they were Nicaraguans and people would tell me they weren't.

Hi Jeff,

That's just it. Tremper DID catch 3 gravid females in the Bluefield's area of Nicaragua, raised the babies until they were big enough to import into the USA(at least that's my understanding).

Amie

This is what I was contantly getting emails about.

They are plain ole BCI and unless they are some designer morph, they are nothing more than petstore animals.

I do not have any paperwork stating where they were collected.
All I have is the word of the person I bought them from that said the parents were collected at such and such a location and these are the offspring.

Maybe I should just start calling them "boas". It seems that attaching a locale to them brings controversy.

Steve,
...I do understand your frustration. You apparently paid more than typical Colombian Boa price for snakes that have locale data that you trust. You later try to sell them and people do not think they are worth any more than Colombian Boa price. The reason for this is that they do not trust your reputation. I too trust Amie's reputation but when you decide to sell them all that potential buyers have to rely on is your reputation. BTW, I did not see your ad and do think that it is classless to send emails to people telling them that their snakes are not properly represented or are overpriced. When I see an ad that I doubt I keep it to myself and move on. My point in my first post is that imperators from the same area can look very different and ones from different areas can look very similar. Getting extra money for any of them without collection data from someone that the buyer knows and trusts is difficult. If I buy a locality specific animal from one of the well known breeders I would keep it for a long time because I know I would lose money selling it.
Jeff

>>This is what I was contantly getting emails about.
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>>They are plain ole BCI and unless they are some designer morph, they are nothing more than petstore animals.
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>>I do not have any paperwork stating where they were collected.
>>All I have is the word of the person I bought them from that said the parents were collected at such and such a location and these are the offspring.
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>>Maybe I should just start calling them "boas". It seems that attaching a locale to them brings controversy.

These were considerably more than regular Colombians. LOL.

I only had the ad up for a short period and had enough responses to make me not want to deal with it.

I'll just keep letting them grow up and hopefully by the time they are ready to breed, there will be more information out there. They definitely are a dwarf BCI though. These things are eating machines and are still very small.

Put it this way, would you buy a Het without paperwork or proper documentation? Your situation mirrors that, does it not? IMO, if you have a locale specific animal, you should have some kind of origin documentation. It doesn't matter if it comes from Surinam or Mexico. Otherwise, you get into the situation your in, and can't get out of it. In all honesty, in order to sell your potential offspring as "Bluefields", your going to need some kind of documentation to back it up. Contact Ron, if he was as enthusiastic as he was about these guys, you should have no problem getting the documentation that you need. As they say, the proof is in the puddin'

Hopefully with some type of documentation from Ron Tremper, the debate about this locale will be put to rest if and when any offspring are ready for the market.

He should be able to provide something proving the background of the animals as well as the fact that I purchased these from him out of the first group he had available.

I have sold het ball pythons to people without paperwork.
The paperwork really means nothing if the seller is not reputable (take TSE as an example).
I have a good reputation as far as selling ball pythons but this is my first foray into the boa market.

Good Looking CA's
Dont sweat the "political opions",99% of it is all smoke and mirrors anyway.With in a hobby that originated with smugglers and thieves the majority havent fallen far from the tree.
They wouldnt know truth if it hit'em dead in the ass.

M/

So many people think that if a boa doesn't have a circleback pattern, it can't be a Nic.
I was amazed at how many people told me I was lying or was lied to about the origin of these snakes.
Crazy.

From what I've seen the Circle Back pattern in Nicaraguans seems to be limited to the Pacific coast locales. There isn't a lot of backing to this, but from the Nicaraguans I have seen with specific locale information this does hold true.

There are a number of phenotypes in Mexican, Nicaraguan, Honduran, and Costa Rican locales.

The majority of the original Nicaraguans coming in, before the Nic morphs increased interest, came from the Pacific coast region with the circle back pattern.

Whats this one

Colombian imperator.

>>So many people think that if a boa doesn't have a circleback pattern, it can't be a Nic.
>>I was amazed at how many people told me I was lying or was lied to about the origin of these snakes.
>>Crazy.

Back in the day, (70's-80's) I thought that ALL BCI had circle backs. At least ALL the Colombians that I owned or saw did. LOL Wasn't till later I found out different.

I say get your paperwork in order so when the time comes you can squash the doubts that will surely arise yet again. Mr. Tremper has a good reputation, so I don't think many would doubt it if He's backing you up, and can't think of any reason why He would balk at the request either.
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This little redhead is a Colombian?