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Incubation Dilema Panther Cham Eggs

texasgrl728 Aug 07, 2003 04:22 PM

I am a beginner to the world of panther breeding. I have a pair of Nosey Be panther chameleons that are a year old. So far she has produced two clutches of eggs. 24 eggs the first clutch and 27 the second clutch. I have kept the eggs on periolite. Humid in the box. The temp ranges in the day from 73 to 79 degrees.

The eggs start to turn brown after about a month except for a small amount. The small amount are staying true white and seem to be growing. Only 4 from the last clutch seem to be okay. They should all be fertilized. The chams usually mate two to three times. Then she turns dark and will not accept him anymore. Why would this be happening? Are my temps incorrect? Humidity levels? I have read and re-read all the articles on breeding them. Articles are a bit general and I can't seem to find the correct key to this. Very scared that I am losing these baby eggs and very upset that my actions are the cause.

Please help and thanks to anyone who responds!
Leigh-Anne

Replies (2)

reptayls Aug 07, 2003 05:22 PM

Hi Leigh-Anne,

Handling and incubating panther eggs is not as simple as many folks think - or some breeders will admit.

Over the past few years we have lost some eggs too... yet some eggs that we thought were not going to hatch - did.

I generally discourage folks from using the "egg incubators" that are styrofoam boxes with heaters.... these can malfunction and destroy new generations.

We use plastic shoe boxes (Sterilite or Rubbermaid), add a mix of vermiculite and perlite - barely moist. Why a mix??? Well, currently, this method is working better for us than just vermiculite or just perlite.

When using perlite, use a thick layer (2-3" deep) and add water until it is 1/2" deep on the bottom. Then add the eggs. Tuck them (horizontally) into the perlite (half way up the sides of the egg).

When using vermiculite, use 2" and add small amounts of water, then mix and mix. Test the moistness by squeezing it between your index finger and thumb. If you get 1 drop of water, add a bit more vermiculite and mix, mix, mix. If it was dry - add water by small amounts until you have the right ratio. The vermiculite should be moist - but not drippy. Place the eggs into this the same way as above.

We then place the eggs in a dark closet that stays between 68-74F. Now.... we wait.

Check the eggs after 1 week, then another week. If you have any of them mould and discolour - remove them from the box (be sure to get all the surrounding mold.

If you need to add water - carefully add near the side of the container - no need to wash the eggs down.

We have found that letting the medium get dryer in the last 2 months works good. But if the eggs get too dry, they can wither prematurely. A balance must be reached. If you see any eggs dimple, you may have to add a bit more moisture.

Now... we approach the subject of the "eggs gone bad"
Some females will lay 1 or 2 clutches before they lay a perfect clutch (all eggs are viable). The secret lies somewhere in the female's health (and most likely her parents' health). Many experienced breeders get clutches that there are only a few viable eggs - the rest go bad. Many breeders have clutches that go full term - only to have dead hatchlings. The same breeder can have several clutches that are perfect - all hatch and all do well.

There is simply not enough scientific information about the panther egg-laying/incubation/hatch rates, etc. yet Until some hard guidelines are set down - it is a risky business at best.

P. S. If you have an egg that looks good - but it hasn't hatched in a timely fashion - DON'T discard it. We had one egg (from a clutch of panthers) sit for a year before it hatched. All the other eggs in that clutch hatched at 8.5 months. Go figure!

Hope this helps some,
Morgana - Reptayls, Ltd.

tessai Aug 08, 2003 07:33 AM

if the eggs are not white, you may have a calcification problem. are you supplementing the female with vitamins etc. also, nutrition seems to play a big role in successful clutches. i have been gut loading crickets with brocoli/carrot/supplements combo. make sure shes getting plenty of uvb.

Reptalys posts seems to be on point in regards to incubating. i'll have to try the vermiculite/perlite combo. Keeping them in complete darkness seems to work out very well.

hope this helps.

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