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and posting pictures. I've posted these before but these are recetn pics (tonight). My adults are enjoying a cold spell and a long winter's nap

Yellow Leonis Female 2005 and future breeder in summer of 2008

Another 2005 yellow leonis female

2005 Buckskin female that was for sale but hung around the snake room too long and is now a future breeder

This young lady was purchased from Mitch Allen and has really developed some nice coloring

Last but not least a nice VR Orange Leonis male 2004

All are nice but I really like the Mitch Allen animal. Very unique

yeah I figured you might like that one as it is kind of
retro-e
Russ

I'd have to agree. That Mitch Allen female is hot. He produces some beautiful Thayeri. Here is an 06 female that I picked up from Mitch in Daytona. She is super clean, and I'll have to get some better, updated pics after she sheds.
Ken

Here is an 05 female I picked up from him at the show also.

different folks. Personally I don't consider that snake "hot" but I do like it. I prefer nice yellow and peach leonis over any of them and that is what I consider to be "hot". The retro thing doesn't do much for me but it doesn't hurt to have an example represented in your colony.
Russ

I was of the impression that the earth-toned (brown/tan) specimens would be more retro. Aren't the gray backgrounded ones fairly recent?
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1 Eastern Blue Tongue Skink
2 Tarahumara Mountain Kingsnakes - Knoblochi
1 Thayer's Kingsnake - Thayeri
2 Golden Greek Tortoises
1 Pyxie Frog - 14 years old

Morgan,
I don't know of any that are fairly recent. Retro is nothing new it's just a term used to describe a wild looking thayeri IMO. Line breeding programs went a long way in removing out the "wild type". There are some thayeri enthusiast on this site that really enjoy the "retro or wild type" look.

Not sure if I'm understanding your question or not so please don't take offense to my response.

Russ

Russ for me its not so much that I "like" the retro look or wild type look over so of the more colorful line bred types its just that some of these are now just becoming too common IMHO. As much as I love the VIVID peach phase leonis there are a ton of them out there. I can't help but wonder what OTHER hot types are yet to appear if we keep a little more genetic diversity in our collections. Dan V has his white line he is working on, Chris B his yellows I have my greens with split triads, you seem to have a four color thing going. The options are endless unless we lose the original diversity.

yes, I have a whitish gray from Dan myself.

My concern was "Is brown/tan background probably the "true" wild coloration of the leonis phase?"

Ive read some posts calling greys retro as well.
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1 Eastern Blue Tongue Skink
2 Tarahumara Mountain Kingsnakes - Knoblochi
1 Thayer's Kingsnake - Thayeri
2 Golden Greek Tortoises
1 Pyxie Frog - 14 years old

I relly like that Mitch Allen animal too. Do you have a link to his website? I will be looking for another female soon. Thanks.
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0.1 Amelanistic Corn
0.1 Aberrant California King
1.0 Pueblan Milk
0.1 Blair's Gray Banded King
0.1 Blonde Trans Pecos Rat
2.0 Variable King
0.1 Chihuahua Mtn. King
0.1 Kunasir Island Rat
0.1 Baird's Rat
0.1 White Oak Gray Rat

glad you like it. Mitch doesn't have a website but if you live in the south you might be able to catch him at a show (Daytona or Slidell shows).
Russ