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Sick beardie...please help!

seana510 Nov 30, 2006 10:10 AM

Hello,
I am hoping someone has some adice for me to help my sick beardie...
I have a female beardie, about 3 years old, previously very healthy. Recently (a little over a week ago) I noticed in the morning that she had REALLY swollen eyes. They were bulging out of her head. She shares a cage with a slightly younger male (who has been totally healthy this whole time) so I removed her from the cage in case she was contagious. She had no heat for a couple of hours and her eyes went back to normal. So I returned her to the cage a bit later. For the past week she has been having the same problem off and on. I took her to the vet, who seemed to be stumped, and suggested that maybe the extreme cold lately is affecting her and prescribed some eyedrops (human) which I haven't used yet.

Here's the facts:
-Seems to happen more when she gets warm, goes away when she is cold.
-No discharge from the eyes, but they are swollen closed.
-Happens in both eyes with the same intensity and for the same amount of time.
-Hasn't been passed to the male.
-I did notice some mites on her recently (black in color).
-She seems to be eating and drinking less.

Hope someone has some good advice! Thanks in advance!

-Seana

Replies (4)

PHLdyPayne Nov 30, 2006 07:58 PM

Sounds like something is irritating her eyes. Need to know full details of your setup, including temps, substrate, cage size, what she eats normally etc.

I know bearded dragons can 'bulge out' their eyes when shedding their head area, but I don't think this is the case ,unless the swelling goes away in a few seconds.

As you indicated you have mites, mites could be causing her problems, if they are biting near her eyes. Treat her cage for mites, Prevent a Mite is pretty good for most reptiles if used as directed on the can.

I would keep her separated from the male as well. Just because he hasn't shown any signs, doesn't mind he can't 'catch' the problem, especially if mites from the female wind up biting the male. Also, he may be stressing her trying to breed her all the time, which could also be why she isn't eating as much as usual.

Did the vet you took her to do any blood work? This is one way to check if there are any bacterial infections or viral problems. A culture from eye fluids may be beneficial.
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PHLdyPayne

seana510 Dec 01, 2006 08:49 AM

She is in an approximately 50 gallon tank with the male (although I now have her separated into a 10 gallon tank alone). The substrate in both cages is sand. There is one piece of driftwood in the large cage, which I am in the process of sterilizing for mites. I am going to do a complete cleaning of both cages to try to get rid of the mites, and am soaking the beardies in warm water to remove the mites.
The warm end of the tank gets to about 90-100 degrees during the day and falls to about 70 at night. I haven't had an under tank heater, and I think this is part of the problem, so I just put one on yesterday. They have a 100 watt day glo heat lamp and a UVA/UVB lamp for 12 hours a day.
I am actually a little bit hesitant to raise the temperature in her cage because her eyes bulge out mainly when she is warm. Do you think it is a good idea to keep her warm if that seems to exacerbate the problem?

PHLdyPayne Dec 01, 2006 12:00 PM

I suggest getting rid of the sand completely in both tanks, at least till the mite problem has been dealt with. Both tanks should be completely washed and sterilized, the sand removed from the house completely (mites may hide in the sand, lay eggs in it etc) and crawl back out if the old sand is left lying around for awhile.

Dust from the sand could be irritating the female's eyes, especially if you changed sand recently when this started happening. A new bag may have more dust than normal etc.

I think the basking temp should be a bit higher, more around 95-105 with higher temps available higher up on the basking spot for your dragons to reach if they desire higher temps than normal. Though i haven't kept dragons for long (my first dragon I owned for about 2.5 years before I had to sell her. I only recently picked up a new dragon) I have noticed they go for a much higher basking temp first thing in the morning and after eating. In my old cage I had a large piece of driftwood under the basking light. The temps varied from 120F near the top of the driftwood to around 95-100F along the lower areas of the wood, thus giving a nice range of temps on the basking area for my dragon to move between. The driftwood was large, wide and one end inclined at about a 60 degree angle towards the basking light, providing a large amount of surface area for my dragon to move between, to gain the temps she wanted to be in. The driftwood covered about a third of the tank as well. I wish I still had that piece of wood, it took awhile for me to find it in the first place. But it, as well as the cage, was sold with my dragon. Below is a picture of the tank, driftwood and my old dragon.

I don't see the heat causing problems with her eyes, but if the brightness of the basking light, dust (which tends to be noticeable once the sand is warm and dry) could cause the swelling. Really hard for me to say as I am not a professional bearded dragon vet.

I would find a bigger tank to put your female in, even for the short turn. A 10 gal for an adult dragon is of course very small and also very difficult to ensure a range of temps. Also, an under tank heater is pretty useless for bearded dragons anyway.

For your UVB light, is it a florescent tube light or a Mercury Vapor bulb? Some of the MVB can put out intense amounts of UVB and if too close to the dragon, they can irritate the eyes, though usually this means the dragon keeps their eyes closed, I haven't heard of them causing swelling.

The problem could also simply be due to the mites. If they are bitting your dragon near the eyes, this could be causing the swelling. Then when the mites are full and stop bitting, the eyes may go back to normal size. Unfortunately it is very difficult to 'soak' the mites out of dragon eyes (dragons don't breath underwater after all). Using a spray like Prevent a Mite in the cage (after everything is clean and sterile) will kill all mites, no matter where they are located on the animal. Repeating treatments once a month for a couple months, will also ensure any hatching eggs or migrating mites that get back into the cage, will be killed before they can breed and lay more eggs.

You will also have to cook or soak in a bleach solution, that piece of driftwood. Being wood with lots of cracks, nocks and grannies, it is ideal for mites to lay eggs in, especially if parts of the wood maintain any amount of moisture. If you bake the wood, make sure it is baked at 250F for a few hours, or if you have to soak it, use a stronger concentration of bleach than normally used (one part bleach to 10 parts water). Soak for about 20 minutes and rinse several times, then rinse several times again in cold clean water. Air dry in a very well ventilated area for at least 24 hours to ensure all bleach fumes/residue is gone. I probably would store it somewhere far from where your dragons are kept even then, till all the mites are gone, so the wood doesn't get re-infested.

You probably could keep both dragons in the same cage, on paper towel with rocks/bricks or a sturdy cardboard box (a small rubbermaid container can be used, turned over so the bottom is the top) as a basking site till mites are all gone, in a couple months (to be certain).

You didn't mention if the vet you took her to did any blood work on her. If the vet didn't do it, I suggest calling him and arranging to bring her back in and get some blood work done. An x-ray of your bearded dragon may also be useful, especially if there is any internal pockets of infection (ie absesses or cysts). You can also consider taking her to another reptile vet for a second opinion.
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PHLdyPayne

PHLdyPayne Dec 02, 2006 01:19 PM

Just realized I forgot to include the picture of my old dragon's cage with the driftwood. Well, here it is, better late than never I hope.

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PHLdyPayne

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