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Here are pix of our 2004 lineaticolis. Both specimens are 6 foot or larger! 2007 should be a good year for Mexican Lined Pines by the looks of it.

male

female

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female

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Gorgeous! I thought these were Gophers, though?
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
4.3.0 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.1.0 Everglades Rat Snakes
1.0.0 Baird's Rat Snake
1.2.0 Trans-Pecos Rat Snake
0.1.0 Amel Pacific Gopher Snake
1.0.0 Het Amel San Diego Gopher Snake
2.1.0 Sonoran Gopher Snake
0.1.0 Amel Sonoran Gopher Snake
1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
2.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (1.1 River Road, 1.0 Non-Locale Specific)
0.2.0 California Kingsnakes
0.1.0 Thayeri Kingsnake
0.1.0 Florida Kingsnake
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
1.1.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican & Mid Baja)
1.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
1.2.0 Ball Pythons
1.0.0 Woma Python
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.1.0 Macklot's Pythons
1.0.0 Western Hognose
0.1.0 Blacktail Cribo

LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.3.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
1.1.0 Chuckwalla
0.1.0 Banded Gecko

FROGS
2.2.0 Southern Bell Frogs
1.0.0 Green Tree Frogs
1.0.0 Bubbling Kassina
1.1.1 White's Tree Frogs

they're really neither gophers or pines. They're just another species of Mexican/Guatemalan Pit, closely related to P. deppei. They've never had a common name, so call them what you like....I prefer Stripe-necked Pine, a translation of the Latin plus the fact that they are heavier bodied than most gophers, more like a pine. Nice snakes, although all I've worked with are quite nervous and not lap snakes like many pines.

They've never had a common name, so call them what you like....

Hi Craig et al;

When I took them to market I called them Mexican Lined Pines.

Seemed kinda poetic and has apparently stuck.

I think this is the name you'll be seeing people used. I like making up common names! I think I am up to four now. Not as prolific as some b ut more than others.
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These animals actually do have several accepted and long used common names but because most folks never heard of this taxonomic group they also never heard the common names.

In the places where these animals are found most folks call them "musquate".

In my limited experience I get the sence that they are more "gophersnake like" despite the larger size and haevier body. I must say that they are actually somewhat rat snake like. I definitly agree that these are not the most mello of snakes.

Is there a head count regarding how many of the 2004's are still out there?

Almost looks as if Bogerthophis is in the mix. Interesting looking snakes!
Todd Hughes

FWIW the native common names are rarely used in the USA pet trade. I like them and wish we used more. Somehow, DABB LIZARD, is better than Uromastyx, but if I used it nobody would know what it is I describe.

So, I made up Mexican Lined Pine. Having kept Pines, Bulls and Gophers, these may need their own category. Super hardy but very "rigid" when handled. RE Bogertophis? Eyes are not enlarged like a suboc.

John, sorry, I have no clue how many are out there.

I know one buyer wanted a free replacement as his female died six months AFTER purchase. I said no, he was pissed, like it was our fault it died six months later! I know another buyer ships some of the worst animals I have ever seen so I doubt his are alive.

So, at least one mortality. But no other feedback from the buyers save the posts here that we all see. Plus, Thom placed many himself, Including yours! So, truthfully, I don't even know how many we started with!
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I was referring to the double striped neck and H type blotching, not actually suggesting Bogeys were part of it, just resemble pattern type.
Todd Hughes

In Mexico they're known as the Cincuate. I've seen references to these as Cincuate Bulls.

I do like the ring of Mexican Lined Pines better, though!
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Diego

Diego & Tiffany's Zoo:
SNAKES
4.3.0 Corn Snakes (Different morphs)
1.1.0 Everglades Rat Snakes
1.0.0 Baird's Rat Snake
1.2.0 Trans-Pecos Rat Snake
0.1.0 Amel Pacific Gopher Snake
1.0.0 Het Amel San Diego Gopher Snake
2.1.0 Sonoran Gopher Snake
0.1.0 Amel Sonoran Gopher Snake
1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake
2.1.0 Gray Banded Kingsnakes (1.1 River Road, 1.0 Non-Locale Specific)
0.2.0 California Kingsnakes
0.1.0 Thayeri Kingsnake
0.1.0 Florida Kingsnake
1.0.0 Boa Constrictor
0.1.0 Dumeril's Boa
1.1.0 Rosy Boas (Mexican & Mid Baja)
1.1.0 Kenyan Sand Boas
0.1.0 Indonesian Dwarf Pacific Boa
0.1.0 Tangerine Honduran Milksnake
1.0.0 Honduran Milksnake
1.2.0 Ball Pythons
1.0.0 Woma Python
1.1.0 Cape York Spotted Pythons
1.1.0 Macklot's Pythons
1.0.0 Western Hognose
0.1.0 Blacktail Cribo

LIZARDS
1.0.0 Frilled Dragon
3.1.0 Bearded Dragons (2 Normal, 1 RedXGold, 1 Citrus)
0.1.0 Eastern Collared Lizard
0.1.0 Merauke Blue Tongue Skink
1.3.0 Leopard Geckos
1.0.1 Yellow Niger Uromastyx
1.1.0 Chuckwalla
0.1.0 Banded Gecko

FROGS
2.2.0 Southern Bell Frogs
1.0.0 Green Tree Frogs
1.0.0 Bubbling Kassina
1.1.1 White's Tree Frogs