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What is the difference between kahl and sharp albino. And how is it known that they are not compatible. I have seen this question posted bfore but no one gave a straight answer?
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1.1 Columbian common boas (Zeus, Athena)
0.1 BCI 50% het albino salmon (Aprodite)
1.1 Corn snakes (Appolo, Boreas)
0.1 King snake tri striped cal morph (Helios)

Further down on this page is your answer; in response to a post you started.
Regardless:

Kahl and Sharp strains are known to be incompatible because of a breeding done by Brian Sharp in the early years of the projects of a Het for one strain bred to a homozygous animal of the other strain. All offspring were wild type. Since no Albinos were produced, it was concluded that the two mutations are NOT compatible. Though much of that could have been assumed to occur looking at the differences between the two strains by examining founding stock.

The Kahl strain comes from a group of 4 Albino boas imported in 1983. Peter Kahl bought one of the males around the end of the decade. He may have bought a second, but I do not know so DO NOT quote me on that. Anyway, the rest can be figured out.

The Sharp strain comes from one Albino female. Her color was burnt orange, and different from the Kahl strain.

A lot of selective breeding has been done with Kahl strain animals; as a result, there are a WIDE variety of appearances. Classically the Kahl strain matured to a pale yellow snake. While the Sharp matured to hold its color and pattern and intensify with the noted burnt orange color. Because of certain breedings done with Sharps some bloodlines no longer have the broad saddles and widows peaks of the founding matriarch, nor as intense of coloration. Though many are more beautiful (however this is obviously arguable and must be determined by the individual).

A final difference is in price, due to the rarity of the Sharp strain. Kahl Albinos can be found from $600-$1500 for neonates, Sharps are $2500-4000.

A few years ago a breeder in the UK imported from Colombia one or more Albino boas. He bred them to Kahl strain animals and produced Albinos, introducing new compatible stock.

There have been rumors of other subspecies and locales outside of Colombian imperator having Albinos. So far the only public validated one is a male Suriname BCC.

So does anyone know who baught that Albino Surinam?? Hopefully it is still here in the States! I can't wait to see some more pure Surinam Albinos. Sweet!!

It has been bought and resold. It was filmed in the video that Dave and Tracy Barker made with Rich Ihle. I do not know who now has it. You could try talking to one of them.

There may even be two of them. All I know for sure is there is at least one Albino male Suriname BCC and it was in the US for a while, if it still is.

The question is how can one breeding of the two strains be considered "Scientifically Conclusive" ?

M/

>>Further down on this page is your answer; in response to a post you started.
>>Regardless:
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>>Kahl and Sharp strains are known to be incompatible because of a breeding done by Brian Sharp in the early years of the projects of a Het for one strain bred to a homozygous animal of the other strain. All offspring were wild type. Since no Albinos were produced, it was concluded that the two mutations are NOT compatible. Though much of that could have been assumed to occur looking at the differences between the two strains by examining founding stock.
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>>The Kahl strain comes from a group of 4 Albino boas imported in 1983. Peter Kahl bought one of the males around the end of the decade. He may have bought a second, but I do not know so DO NOT quote me on that. Anyway, the rest can be figured out.
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>>The Sharp strain comes from one Albino female. Her color was burnt orange, and different from the Kahl strain.
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>>A lot of selective breeding has been done with Kahl strain animals; as a result, there are a WIDE variety of appearances. Classically the Kahl strain matured to a pale yellow snake. While the Sharp matured to hold its color and pattern and intensify with the noted burnt orange color. Because of certain breedings done with Sharps some bloodlines no longer have the broad saddles and widows peaks of the founding matriarch, nor as intense of coloration. Though many are more beautiful (however this is obviously arguable and must be determined by the individual).
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>>A final difference is in price, due to the rarity of the Sharp strain. Kahl Albinos can be found from $600-$1500 for neonates, Sharps are $2500-4000.
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>>A few years ago a breeder in the UK imported from Colombia one or more Albino boas. He bred them to Kahl strain animals and produced Albinos, introducing new compatible stock.
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>>There have been rumors of other subspecies and locales outside of Colombian imperator having Albinos. So far the only public validated one is a male Suriname BCC.

If you are up for waiting 3-4 more years I should be able to give you all the information concerning the various Albino mutations in boas.

Feel free to email me, I'd be more than happy to explain my project and research. chris.gilbertboa@gmail.com

Thats all well and good ! and I wish you nothing but good luck
in your pursuit(s).
But the shuck and jive BS people are being fed in the morph game
is still BS!! Conclusive is the key!! that means FINAL and without a doubt.To arrive at such point one should expect no less then 3 as a baseline for confirmation number right or wrong?Mean while people wanting to invest(ride the wagon)are getting hosed on their funds,time and effort doing so.

People have a right to know something simular to the Truth,sadly it aint happen!

M/

>>If you are up for waiting 3-4 more years I should be able to give you all the information concerning the various Albino mutations in boas.
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>>Feel free to email me, I'd be more than happy to explain my project and research. chris.gilbertboa@gmail.com

What do u mean by truth? You make it sound like a big conspiracy
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1.1 Columbian common boas (Zeus, Athena)
0.1 BCI 50% het albino salmon (Aprodite)
1.1 Corn snakes (Appolo, Boreas)
0.1 King snake tri striped cal morph (Helios)

Invest a few more years in the hobby get to know and mingle with a few Old School members and it couldnt get any more clearer then
BOLD PRINT!
Outside of KS there is in fact an "ENTIRELY" different herp hobby and much bigger crowd then Daytona could ever host,of which members of dont have time to play on keyboards with people who quote chapter and verse from every alledged Snake experts caresheet and advise forum to fly in with a new name for something that was farmed and purchased for pennies on the dollar compared to what their "hopeing" someone will give for the chance at a pot of gold morph.Add in a few well quoted genetics paragraphs to support your "front".Want confirmation ? Sell a few top rated morphs a few hundred short of the "standard" and see how fast your mailbox fills up ?
All wishing you well of coarse ...........
WORK ? LMAO !! put acouple animals in a box,feed'em clean up after them for a few years and then CLAIM "NEW" LMAO !!!

Conspiracy ? your choice of words not mine.
In all honesty you people couldnt handle the truth.

M/
(Must be a Full Moon or something?)

>>What do u mean by truth? You make it sound like a big conspiracy
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>>1.1 Columbian common boas (Zeus, Athena)
>>0.1 BCI 50% het albino salmon (Aprodite)
>>1.1 Corn snakes (Appolo, Boreas)
>>0.1 King snake tri striped cal morph (Helios)