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hey guys. Any history on the Lavender Speckled king???

I read somewhere the founding stock was from LA - or very near there....

I think Lemke was working with them but I'm foggy on that.

any info would be much appreciated..

byron.d

Bob Applegate wrote a detailed article for "Notes from NOAH" quite a few years ago on albino speckled kings. You may want to e-mail him directly (Applegate Reptiles has a storefront listing on kingsnake.com's homepage) - I'm sure he could fill you in on the history of amel speckled kings.

Tim

Third Eye

I'll most likely see Bob at the IRBA show tomorrow. I'll check with him on this.

Thanks again.

byron.d

Byron, do you have a bird's eye view of that eastern? It looks cool! I have often admired the perfect chains but that looks to have no dorsal patterning at all. Very cool!
Todd Hughes

i think it's a cali king... i 4got the name for that pattern mutation...

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Its a Mosaic Cal King. I'll post a couple more photos for ya.

byron.d

Just to be clear there are 3 or 4 mutations in Speckleds. Albino, Lavender, Checkerboard and White Wall. The Lav is referred to by some as Hypo. I know the Albino was thought to be a natural integrade with Splendida, and I think the Lav is as well. Terry V was there the day they brought the wild caught Albino into a Zoo...he mentions it in the history of the white wall on my site. I don't think the Lav has pink eyes like a true Albino. Seems some of the less popular snakes history is a pain to look into as not half as many people care in comparison to what's trendy Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

thanks for that.. To me, the lavenders seem to hold their juvenile pattern more than the other morphs. I've also noticed that the amels seem to hatch out larger than most Specks... That may just be in the line that I'm familiar with, but worth mentioning since you brought up that they might be integrates..

thanks.

byron.d

Are the Salt and Pepper version- the really uniform speckleds a locality type or does that occur as a speckled type that can show up anywhere or pop out of any clutch? Sorry I don’t know Speckleds very much but a friend owned a beautiful salt and pepper when I was a kid and that thing was mean as could be, but I was always impressed with how beautiful it was. Those are still one of my favorite types but I don’t see them very often.

Tom, what do you know about the checkerboards? Naturally occurring or man made? I ask because I have a het for lav checkerboard female speck that I would like to pair up with.
Todd Hughes

Yes, I'm interested as well in the history of Checkerboard Speckleds. Any pics?

reako45

A nice guy named Manny who had a company named My Exotics had the Checkerboards pop up unexspectedly. He worked with Lavs and Amels too. It is thought to be co dominant. He is no longer working with snakes. I regret not buying some from him before he got out of it. I know some of his stuff went to K and N Reptiles but it's my guess the Checkerboards were unnoticed and will hopefully resurface in other collections. Especially if they are co dom...then it should happen in the next year or two.
Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

Thanks Tom, I knew you would have somethgin for me. I am understanding that they are also a locality morph from Missouri? Hope to find something special to put with her, can't get a decent shot, I will try tomorrow at water changing. Funny, it is 48 in the snake room and several snakes are up and active, mostly the splendidas and subocs. Desert snakes, go figure!
Todd Hughes

Checkerboard = cal king cross

Ken

Ken, who told you this? Did you know Manny or did someone else start the line and sell him offspring? After he and I talked we thought that since the Amels are integrades....and many Amels have a bit of Splendida pattern to them that the Checkerboards may have been normals expressing the pattern commonly seen on the Amels? I know the degree of how checker-y the pattern was varied...but what makes you say it is a cross? Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

Tom, Manny got those from someone else. I tried to tell Manny they were crosses at a show one time but he didn't really want to hear it. (He's a big young guy, I'm a small old guy.. so needless to say I left it alone.) Ken

I am kind of surprised. He didn't let on one bit when I discussed it with him. I didn't consider him a young guy...but I am sure we mean the same person. If you have any other info to share and you don't wanna post it on here use the contact thing on the forum and email me. I thought they were neat snakes...something I considered breeding the white wall too.
Tom Stevens
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TomsSnakes.com

Those were my thoughts as well Tom. She is prime and very cool looking, now I am having troubled dreams into what I am gonna do with her.
Todd Hughes

Ahh Tom age is a relative thing. I'm guessing he was in his 30's but didn't ask. Ken

I know Manny and remember when he had those pop up. He did get them from someone else. That project also never really took off for him considering he advertised them a lot.

Looking for contact info for Manny who is no longer in business as "My Exotics". Would appreciate any contact info or whereabouts?

Try a google search using "manny yvonne granados jacksonville" and see what you get. Or you can try this link for older contact info: home.comcast.net/~mannyxg/mye/chel/index.htm

Ken

thanks KK

I don't know anything about the amel speckled kings, but the Lav. specks come frome Louisiana. I am 100% sure they come from the New Orleans area. One was found in a pet store, said to be a wild caught some one brought in. Another one was caught in that same area around the same time. They were sub-adults. That is one morph that could survive in the wild.

p.s. They do have ruby red eyes.

from the flint hills of Kansas.
Enjoy,
Shannon

Shannon, do you have anything closer looking to checkerboards? That is some screamin' color comin' outta the wheatfields!
Todd Hughes

nope,its the only pair I have.I would like to see a "checkerboard" .
Thats a great looking snake Todd,
Shannon

Dang, now I'm truely a morph breeder, doomed to live out my life in a lab! I like her and I'm keeping her, just was under the impression she was a locality morph. I knew she was possible het for lav but was also under the impression it was a holbrooki to holbrooki breeding that produced the animal. She is in heavy shed and is somewhat pissed at you guys for demanding a photo op! LOL! She is an agressive feeder and once swallowed my entire thumb! Had to pry her off with my driver's license! Here you go Shannon and Tom, let me know what you think. Could have cali in her but her neck is very thick and her overall body composition is very short and stout, the fattest nonfat snake I own, she gets one adult mouse a week. She is just big boned! at least that's what I tell her!
Todd Hughes

maybe splendida in her?really hard to say,
L8r

Splendida would be a little easier for me, I guess it really doesn't matter, I will try and find her something to mate with and label them as experimental!
Todd Hughes

I dig that deep yellow.

byron.d

That bright yellow must be a trait on holbrooki only from only certain locales. Never seen Speckleds in the wild (but would love to), but from the pics I've seen there seem to be several cool looking variations of the same pattern depending where the snakes come from.

reako45