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Whats the definition of a super salmon?
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2.2 Columbian common boas (Zeus, Athena, Aphodite, Hades)
1.1 Corn snakes (Appolo, Boreas)
0.1 King snake tri striped cal morph (Helios)

Super salmons are hypos that when bred will have all hypo offspring where regular salmons will have more of a 50% hypo litter. You get supers when you breed two hypo's together. If you breed two regular hypo's 25% of the litter will be supers. If you breed a super to a regular hypo half the litter will be supers and if you breed super to super the whole litter would be supers

In the hypo to hypo breeding I forgot to mention that half the litter should be hypo's and 25% of those hypo's will be supers. Just to clear it up a bit.

Slight edit. Hypo X Hypo = 25% Normal, 50% Hypo, 25% Super Hypo (in the perfect world).

to clarify, Chris is dead on with his percentages but was not clear that the babies would be split into two phenotypes, 25% normal and 75% hypo of which 1/3 would be super. Some will have a visual look as probable super - no black around the tail blotches. But not 100% reliable.

Hypo/salmon is considered a dominent mutation where the mutated gene is "stronger" than the normal gene so if in that gene pair at least one Hypo gene is present, the snake will look Hypo.

Super is herper slang for a homozygous dominant (or codominant) gene pair. So a "super salmon" has two salmon genes.
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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB, selectively bred from good stock)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
12.24 BRB
11.13 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats

How do you know of those percentager which are super hypo and normal hypo wouldnt they all look the same?
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2.2 Columbian common boas (Zeus, Athena, Aphodite, Hades)
1.1 Corn snakes (Appolo, Boreas)
0.1 King snake tri striped cal morph (Helios)

They do look the same, see Dave's post. I left that out.

That is why the mutation is dominant. Even though you can't tell a regular Hypo from a Super (heterozygous from homozygous) with 100% certainty, the percentages stand.

So theoretically 1/3 hypos will be Supers in a Hypo X Hypo breeding.

There are some obvious one's in the litter.

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2.2 Columbian common boas (Zeus, Athena, Aphodite, Hades)
1.1 Corn snakes (Appolo, Boreas)
0.1 King snake tri striped cal morph (Helios)

There are no clear lines between the two groups but, hets will tend to have dark boundries around the tail blotches. Homozygous or supers will have a reduced amount of darkness in the same area. All the way down to none at all. So, for example if you have a pile of 9 babies that are 33% supers, you might be able to piuck out one or two that were probable supers.

The following pics are ghosts, salmon plus Anery but they show the point:

Not the best pic but you can see the darkness around the last tail blotch. This ghost has a bit of a tail stripe so has fewer tail blotches. You can see the darkness, this is a het Hypo/anery

This one has almost no darkness around the tail blotches and is a probable Homozygous hypo/anery

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Thanks,

Dave Colling

www.rainbows-r-us-reptiles.com

0.1 Wife (WC)
0.2 kids (CBB, selectively bred from good stock)

LOL, to many snakes to list, last count:
12.24 BRB
11.13 BCI
And those are only the breeders

lots.lots.lots feeder mice and rats