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Market Research Question on Albino Tigers,....

BrianSmith Aug 08, 2003 02:21 PM

I was wondering just how many people have purchased albino tigers. If you have one, or know of someone that has one, (Or two, or three, etc) please post it here. I would really like to know how many people have them as of right now.

Tigers het albino does not count in this. I want to know who has forked out the dough-rae-me for the real deal.
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joels417 Aug 10, 2003 11:57 AM

...and post where you got them too...i want to fork out some dough for one. I need a male

BrianSmith Aug 10, 2003 01:59 PM

I don't have any albino tigers yet. Just tiger het albino. From Bob Clark. I usually go for the complete animal, but in this case availability was scarce and prices were just astronomical for the albinos, so 2k per 100% het seemed like a very good bargain.

>>...and post where you got them too...i want to fork out some dough for one. I need a male
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It isn't "Ideas" that fail or succeed,... it is the "Systems" which are instilled to launch and sustain the idea that either fail or succeed.>[Me.]

joels417 Aug 10, 2003 02:27 PM

so do you have any that may be *available*

i want to pair an Albino with my tiger. I would love to gain some of your knowledge about breeding and such. I know a lot of people probably come into this for the money, but I want to do it for fun and if it pays off then great, but i just like doing it.

BrianSmith Aug 10, 2003 02:35 PM

It would violate the rules of the Terms of Service to discuss the availablity of an animal for sale. But I can say that I do not have any albino tigers available right now. But maybe in 8 or 10 months you can come on here and post, "Say Brian,... let's see some pictures of those AWESOME albino tigers you just produced!" lol. And I'll pretend to be all flattered and post a bunch of pictures so people can see what I'm selling. Sound like a tricky plan?

(I'm just kidding, of course)

>>so do you have any that may be *available*
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>>i want to pair an Albino with my tiger. I would love to gain some of your knowledge about breeding and such. I know a lot of people probably come into this for the money, but I want to do it for fun and if it pays off then great, but i just like doing it.
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It isn't "Ideas" that fail or succeed,... it is the "Systems" which are instilled to launch and sustain the idea that either fail or succeed.>[Me.]

Dave79 Aug 10, 2003 03:51 PM

There's a female albino tiger for sale on the classifieds for $8500

joels417 Aug 10, 2003 05:52 PM

oo I am just looking at getting an Albino Retic for my tiger. Maybe something interesting will happen.

BrianSmith Aug 10, 2003 07:27 PM

If you invested in an albino tiger, it would only be logical to at least get a tiger het albino or a normal albino to breed it with. Just a thought.

>>oo I am just looking at getting an Albino Retic for my tiger. Maybe something interesting will happen.
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It isn't "Ideas" that fail or succeed,... it is the "Systems" which are instilled to launch and sustain the idea that either fail or succeed.>[Me.]

joels417 Aug 10, 2003 10:13 PM

I have a tiger retic right now, not het nor albino. unfortunately.

I want to get an albino retic and breed them. What do you think would come from a Tiger Retic and say a Lavender Phase Albino Retic?

prehistoricpets Aug 11, 2003 04:14 PM

Brian,

Tiger hets are a great way to be able to produce albino tigers and albino super tigers. But unfortunately, the math is not too good. For instance, if you breed a tiger het to a tiger het, and have 20 eggs hatch (an average first year), you would end up with 1.5 super tiger albinos, 1.5 albinos, 2 albino tigers, 10 poss het tigers, 2.5 poss het super tigers, and 2.5 poss het normals. The numbers above are genetic averages, so the numbers could play to your favor or against you. Unfortunately, poss hets are very hard to market, but still fun to hatch. If you take the same 1.1 albino tigers your odds of producing the desired morphs increase tremendously. For instance, with the same 20 hatchlings, you could end up with 10 albino tigers, 5 albino super tigers, and 5 albinos. Not to mention if you breed your albino male, which will be ready to breed in two years to any albino female, you can make your money back with the 50% albino tigers you can produce, or breed it to a normal het and get 25% albino tigers. When you consider the costs of raising the equivalent amount of het tigers to get the same return, the food costs and the heating costs would probably be enough to purchase the albino tigers. There's an old saying: It costs the same to raise a race horse as it does a donkey. But, if there was only tiger hets available, or you could not afford the investment cost, then tiger hets are fanatastic. I started my whole project with 50% poss het tigers, so where there is a will, there is a way. It's not all about the money. It's just plain old fun, no matter how you make them.

Jay Vella

BrianSmith Aug 11, 2003 05:05 PM

Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying. I agree with everything you said here. It is very close to the very philosophies that I live and conduct business and breeding by. But I am breeding my tiger het albino male to an albino female. So it's really all win win. And the reason why I decided to get him for a mere 2k was because he was/is already a subadult/adult male and will be ready THIS season. I couldn't find an albino tiger male adult at that time that would be ready to breed in the same time period. So one might say that if you get the donkey a year before the racehorse, you certainly cross the finish line first riding him. (just a little humor there mixed in with my own blend of philosophy)

>>Brian,
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>>Tiger hets are a great way to be able to produce albino tigers and albino super tigers. But unfortunately, the math is not too good. For instance, if you breed a tiger het to a tiger het, and have 20 eggs hatch (an average first year), you would end up with 1.5 super tiger albinos, 1.5 albinos, 2 albino tigers, 10 poss het tigers, 2.5 poss het super tigers, and 2.5 poss het normals. The numbers above are genetic averages, so the numbers could play to your favor or against you. Unfortunately, poss hets are very hard to market, but still fun to hatch. If you take the same 1.1 albino tigers your odds of producing the desired morphs increase tremendously. For instance, with the same 20 hatchlings, you could end up with 10 albino tigers, 5 albino super tigers, and 5 albinos. Not to mention if you breed your albino male, which will be ready to breed in two years to any albino female, you can make your money back with the 50% albino tigers you can produce, or breed it to a normal het and get 25% albino tigers. When you consider the costs of raising the equivalent amount of het tigers to get the same return, the food costs and the heating costs would probably be enough to purchase the albino tigers. There's an old saying: It costs the same to raise a race horse as it does a donkey. But, if there was only tiger hets available, or you could not afford the investment cost, then tiger hets are fanatastic. I started my whole project with 50% poss het tigers, so where there is a will, there is a way. It's not all about the money. It's just plain old fun, no matter how you make them.
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>>Jay Vella
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It isn't "Ideas" that fail or succeed,... it is the "Systems" which are instilled to launch and sustain the idea that either fail or succeed.>[Me.]

ReptileKeepersWife Aug 12, 2003 08:35 AM

Boy I sure like these odds!! At this stage of the game ,het breeding is a waste of time, if $$ is an issue.Right now the price is high and not many can cough up the dough,but once raised,the price will come down and more will afford the animals.
The odds for Brian,with his male het to norma lAlbino is just way to low ,for the cost and time of raisng the animal. I would have done albino to albino,but each there own.

BrianSmith Aug 12, 2003 04:05 PM

Ok, lol, I'll take the bait.....

Friend, those odds were based on het to het breeding. When I breed the het tiger to a normal female albino the clutch will be statistically, 25% albino tiger, 25% albino, 25% normal het albino, and 25% tiger het albino. Even with a clutch as small as 20 babies, this is a nice return on a 5k investment. But I breed my girls big so it should be a lot more than that. Ben Rogers got 60 eggs for a first clutch, of which I think all but a few hatched. I don't anticipate more than perhaps half this as his girl was about 19 feet at the time and my girls are a few feet shorter. But even so, 7 albino tigers, 7 albino normals, and a bunch of normal and tiger hets (per female!) that can go into my breeding stock sounds pretty good to me. And let's not forget that hets strengthen the gene pool.

>>Boy I sure like these odds!! At this stage of the game ,het breeding is a waste of time, if $$ is an issue.Right now the price is high and not many can cough up the dough,but once raised,the price will come down and more will afford the animals.
>> The odds for Brian,with his male het to norma lAlbino is just way to low ,for the cost and time of raisng the animal. I would have done albino to albino,but each there own.
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It isn't "Ideas" that fail or succeed,... it is the "Systems" which are instilled to launch and sustain the idea that either fail or succeed.>[Me.]

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