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I have a new MarineLand Water's Edge tank, the one that has a built-in waterfall, like a tree fell down next to a stream. I have 3 firebelly newts in the aquatic part (although the newts can & do get out of the water to dry off a bit). I would like to add a couple tree frogs to utilize the top part of the tank. I'm thinking of a mossy tree frog.
Opinions? Ideas?
Thanks in advance!
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Robins Critters
1.0 Corn snake Jack Skellington
1.1 Hog Island Boas Harley & Isaboa
0.1 Albino Sonoran Gopher Snake Jasmine
0.1 Western Hognose Addy the Adder
1.0 Tricolor Hognose Yoshi
1.3 Leopard Geckos Yoda, Geo, Tang, Ginger
1.2 Crested Geckos Fox Mulder, Peek & Boo
1.0 Blue Tongue Skink Indigo
1.1 Eastern Box Turtles Squirtle II & Yurtle II
0.1 Pacman Frog Buffy the Cricket Slayer
0.0.1 Sulawesi Red Toad Mr. Toad
0.2 Tiger Salamanders Tiger & Sally
1.1.1 Firebelly Newts Wayne Newton, Olivia Newton John & Thandie Newton
1.1 Cats Gus & Mena

As its been stated in many many forums and topics of discussions, fire bellies should not be kept with any other frogs or newts but other fire bellies. They are toxic and if you introduce another species of frogs in there you will cause undo stress and harm to the animals. Symptoms include paralysis, seizures, death.... Enjoy your fire bellies, and if you want frogs, make another tank specific to their needs. ^^
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I think my frog owns a megaphone....

White's tree frogs : 1:1
Mantella viridis : 1:3

I have the same tank. I am liking it pretty well, however cleaning it is a pain! I have red eyes in it.

As stated you can't put anything in with those firebellies! Not even FireBelly toads as they will try to eat the newts.

Their toxins can even kill frogs put in even if you take the FBNs out!

If you want something else, like stated grab a 10 or 20 gal and get another frog and put them next to the tank.

You can always put some interesting plants in that tank for some things to look at.

fire belly newts are TOXIC, if you don't change the water they can end up killing them selves with their toxins. any other species in the tank would difinitaly die.

Hate to say this guys, but this person didn't get the answer she was looking for and probably moved on to somewhere where she would get the ok from someone. Don't you just love it when people ask for advice and then pout when they don't get what they want?
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I think my frog owns a megaphone....

White's tree frogs : 1:1
Mantella viridis : 1:3

it's so annoying. it's really not fair to the animals if they go through with it. say they get 10 posts back, 9 of them say not to do it, and 1 does, they will listen to what they want to hear. but realistically, what are they thinking? people arn't going to lie that much, maybe that one person out of ten (because they didn't know any better) but what about all the other 9? i'm glad i'm not the only person who thinks that.

Not to be rude or anythibg, becuase I did ask for opinions, but does anyone have proof that firebellies in captivity are still toxic, like their wild bretheren? I have my doubts. I mean dart frogs aren't toxic in captivity. Plus, I, mistakenly, kept a dwarf frog in with them once & he did fine. Of course, he attacked my newts & I removed him (I was not aware of their predatory nature). Is there any research on this, like there is on dart frogs?
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Robins Critters
1.0 Corn snake Jack Skellington
1.1 Hog Island Boas Harley & Isaboa
0.1 Albino Sonoran Gopher Snake Jasmine
0.1 Western Hognose Addy the Adder
1.0 Tricolor Hognose Yoshi
1.3 Leopard Geckos Yoda, Geo, Tang, Ginger
1.2 Crested Geckos Fox Mulder, Peek & Boo
1.0 Blue Tongue Skink Indigo
1.1 Eastern Box Turtles Squirtle II & Yurtle II
0.1 Pacman Frog Buffy the Cricket Slayer
0.0.1 Sulawesi Red Toad Mr. Toad
0.2 Tiger Salamanders Tiger & Sally
1.1.1 Firebelly Newts Wayne Newton, Olivia Newton John & Thandie Newton
1.1 Cats Gus & Mena

yeah, actually there is, here:

While newts do make fine pets (the one pictured here is one of my own), they do produce a potent skin toxin, so they do warrant care when handling. The toxicity level varies with the species of newt. One of the most toxic newts is the rough-skinned newt (Taricha granulosa). The little guy (?) above is an oriental (Chinese) fire bellied newt (Cynops orientalis), which is not nearly as toxic as the rough-skinned newt but could still make you pretty ill if you were to swallow one. Be careful after handling them: don't touch your eyes or mouth (or open cuts) as the skin toxins are said to be quite irritating, causing a burning sensation. As long as you wash your hands after handling them or cleaning up after them (and of course, don't eat them), newts are most definitely not dangeous.

http://exoticpets.about.com/od/generalresources/ig/Creepy-Exotic-Pets/Fire-Bellied-Newt-.htm

PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS

The Japanese fire-bellied newt reaches a total length of up to 5 in (12 cm). It has a long tail with a large fin that enables thesalamander to swim powerfully. The tail of the male is tipped by a thin filament. Black above, the salamander has a bright red, spotted belly that acts as warning coloration. When attacked, the salamander produces toxic skin secretions, especially from large glands on the head.

http://www.answers.com/topic/japanese-fire-bellied-newt

these markings serve a warning to predators, for fire bellied newts produce some potent skin toxins and have fairly prominent parotid (poison) glands on the sides of their head.

http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/salamanders/a/firebelliednewt.htm

tell me if you need more. why risk it, it's not really yours to risk.

I think it should also be noted that Darts get their poisons from the food they eat in the wild and not all of them completely loose their toxicity in captivity, phyllobates terriblis being an example of that. They just aren't as toxic. Like its mentioned, fire bellies produce their own toxins, they don't get it from their food.
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I think my frog owns a megaphone....

White's tree frogs : 1:1
Mantella viridis : 1:3

You don't have to be rude. I've been on these forums for years (albeit, the treefrog forum is new to me as I don't yet own any) & come to them as a source of knowlegable advice, as well as providing the same on topics on which I have experience. I'm not here to "get the answer she wants & move on" if I don't.

What I was looking for was some information from the scientific community about the true toxicity of FBNs in captivity as I know many scientists & students frequent these forums. What I got was the information that's been around on the net for years. Not that that's bad, just that I was looking for something with some investigative background. Heck, there's still stories on the net about mealworms eating their way out of our herps! Should I buy that, too, without a question?

My newts are very important to me. Wayne Newton has been with me for at least 17 years & he was an adult when I got him! So, yes, his life is very valuable & important to me & I don't want to risk it, as is the case with all my animals. But I don't think it's unreasonable to question the status quo occassionally. We would never grow as a community if we didn't.

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Robins Critters
1.0 Corn snake Jack Skellington
1.1 Hog Island Boas Harley & Isaboa
0.1 Albino Sonoran Gopher Snake Jasmine
0.1 Western Hognose Addy the Adder
1.0 Tricolor Hognose Yoshi
1.3 Leopard Geckos Yoda, Geo, Tang, Ginger
1.2 Crested Geckos Fox Mulder, Peek & Boo
1.0 Blue Tongue Skink Indigo
1.1 Eastern Box Turtles Squirtle II & Yurtle II
0.1 Pacman Frog Buffy the Cricket Slayer
0.0.1 Sulawesi Red Toad Mr. Toad
0.2 Tiger Salamanders Tiger & Sally
1.1.1 Firebelly Newts Wayne Newton, Olivia Newton John & Thandie Newton
1.1 Cats Gus & Mena

Look, I'm sorry if I came off as rude, but you asked a question and several people gave you the answer, then you questioned our answers. I understand that you really love your pet, but it wouldn't be fair to put a tree frog in there and then have it die from painful seizures just because you didn't want to believe the information and proof that many people on the net have. I have heard many horror stories about what happens to an animal when placed with fire bellies, newts or toads, and they usually end in torturous death.

It is really hard to tell which people online will take advice and which will not. I'm just generally annoyed that's all.
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I think my frog owns a megaphone....

White's tree frogs : 1:1
Mantella viridis : 1:3

thank you! i just don't want any of the animals to get hurt becuase someone was too stuborn.