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Ok Here's the deal . I really did not want to do this but I will. The problem is not that the ember, sulfur, or any other nonspectacular morph
is fake. It's just the people that have no real brain! WHAT does that mean? Well I will explain, but it will be hard because it's like
telling a blind person to just see!!!!!!!!...

But here we go.

1. If a ball reproduces it's self i.e. a mark, line , dot, then it is genetic period!!!
2. It does not have to be a amel,pied,clown to be genetic period!!!!!!!
3. It does not have to produce a super that is ridiculous i.e. spider, pin soon more. period!!!!
4. It certainly does not have to be produced by NERD,RDR,VPI, ect you get the point! period!!!!!
5. All these morphs have been around for thousands of years we just opened our eyes. period!!!

See the real problem is the most humans do not think for them self's.
They only think they do, but in reality they just read, see and act like sheep.
This is so true it's not funny! I can name examples till the cows come home.

1. Most of the food you eat is very bad but you eat it because they tell you to.
2. Religion! Oh no!!!!!!! really! ya. we made it up! ouch! that smarts! sorry.
3. some of you get the point.

The point is that there are literally hundreds of morphs that will prove out
in the near future. But it will be small differences that when combined they do neat things.

Ember ball you know it's genetic( PROVABLE TRAIT) You can't make blind men see.

I will go on a little more I have watched personally with my own eyes yellowbelly's picked right off
some blind persons table and them tell us it's normal,, hehehe all the way to the BANK!!!!!!!

There are morphs out there, They just aren't pied. open your eyes! I know I'm beating my head
against the proverbial wall but it is all-good!

p.s for those that don't like this go feed your dog sawdust and pig brains i.e. dog food
Mine eats raw bloody meat and bones ........

Oh, ok....
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Joe Lokay
Rocky Reptiles
Site coming soon

Wow, that is tough to read. Just a bunch a random sentences thrown together. I made it about half way through. Was there an actual point to the thread?
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John Vandegrift

Where as you certainly have good points - there is one particular item that you have either overlooked and/or chosen to ignore. There are certain rules to the industry - anyone has every right to slap a "morph" name and price tag on their animal (many people do) - but in order to be taken seriously it needs to be proven out and proven out over several generations.

Just because your snake will produce a freckle on 1/2 its offsprings butts or produces a lighter shade of yellow - doesn't necessarily mean that its worthy of a "name" and $20K plus price tag.

Personally I think Daves got something there - I hope there is a super - if not who knows - it may run in the same price range as a pastel instead of a fire.

Just something else to think about.

I miss the days were projects were kept under wraps!
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Tosha

I am not saying it's a 20k morph just that the point is
a morph can be subtle and despite what people think they ( morphs )
don't only come from nerd,rdr vpi ect.....

I think the name is very justified ...

He has proven it to be genetic more the once.
Many Big timers have named stuff fresh out the bush
and all the fan boys say nothing. The snake(bush morph) is a baby
that has not been proven let alone even eaten yet!!!!!.

Come on you know what I'm talking about.

I don't think the sulfur should be 20k but not 50 bucks.
So what's the price I don't know It's not mine. heheh

I agree with you. You said what I meant, only a little more politely Schnek, after cruising these boards for a few years people kind of get sick and tired of hearing about snakes with no major or beautiful diffrences from normals being named and most definitely sold at rediculous prices. Ember may have something, but right now half of his "somethings" look like normals. I don't live close enough to see his snakes in person so I have to judge what he puts on the web. He admitted that he needs a better camera or better photography skills, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt but until he gets that camera or those skills my opinion stands. But everyone knows opinions are like belly buttons, everybody has one but no one really gives a crap! -Joe

Precisely why my project IS under wraps.

Haha.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

I find about half of the morphs for ball pythons look like nice normals as it is (ie I can't tell them apart) unless it is a group shot with normals, albinos etc. A picture of a ghost to me looks like a normal in shed LOL but really, till you see them in person, against normal ball pythons, to most laymen, it could very easily be a normal with a high price tag.

ball pythons seem to be a very diverse and fascinating snake that has an almost individually unique pattern like finger prints do to us. The range of natural coloration (ie wild type) from black to a rich cinnamin red-brown with alien heads anywhere from muted grey-yellow brown to stricking bright yellow as seen in high yellows, to an almost dark brown not much different than the darker body colors. Sure some of the extreme ranges have been bred to bring out that tendancy but is it genetic or just selective breeding?

All and all, how the morph came to be (ie years of line breeding, introducing other proven traits etc) isn't really an issue. The issue is the result and how much a person is willing to pay to get that morph in their collection, and how much a person is willing to sell it for.

If you are a first to produce a morph that many people find spectacular and would may almost anything to get one, the breeder certainly can ask 100k for it. However if nobody really finds the morph any different than a nice looking normal, they won't pay $2k for it, maybe $100 but definitely not as much as say, a Pied goes for.

The attractiveness of the morph is also dependant on peoples tastes. Pieds are good sellers and have a good price because they are very stricking, but some people may find they look awful, like somebody through paint on them. Hence they won't buy it if the pied was sold for $50.

So raining on people's parade because they want to work with something that has a unique pattern or unusual traits, doesn't mean he is wasting his time. He enjoys working with it. Maybe he will hit on something that when crossed with something else, produces something truly amazing.

Some good points.....

I like the human cattle/sheep thing....

Mankind is basically just that. Society builds direction and many of the children now-a-days are little video game make believe types. They don't care about nature or any of that, they eat terrible food and what are they going to reproduce? Their children...... it will be a progression of make believe and plastic.

Type 2 Diabetes is gonna eat them up!

It is basically terrible!

But of course, I am SATAN and I feed on EVIL...... I will tell you one thing, the world is not getting any better and HELL is filling up FAST!

SATAN
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I meant no disrespect Satan. ( groveling on knees) but it's the way I see things. Which is very different than most humans do.
You are light years ahead with you eyes. I just hope some people will be pulled from the darkness into to the light of fire!!!!!hahaha ( stroking kitty in lap )....

With out your eyes in the beginning this would not be possible.

I agree the Sulpher is genetic. I'll give him $200 for a female and say I created it. I'll call it a Lighting,or Goblin or a cyclon.
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Jesse Jeffcoat
Gopher Hill Herps
http://mysite.verizon.net/resuyda8/

Thanks!

I still despise the human race as a life form.........

We are the MOST brutal species going and we have to put ourselves above all else, we really don't respect much of anything!

In fifty years the world as we know it is going to be TOAST!

Burn my souls...BURN!

SATAN
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"Satan™" is a registered trademark of NERD, Inc. Any copyright infringment is punishable by ETERNAL DAMNATION and some other terrible stuff.

I've been seeing a lot of comments on dog food products/ingredients lately that seem out of the blue and irrelevant... I find it rather amusing that the raw food diet is being thrown in people's faces as an insult... A sort of "I feed my dog raw meat so I'm better than you!" thing when in reality, raw meat can be just as potentionally dangerous as commercial brands. But that's not the purpose of this post.

By "sawdust" I assume you're referring to the listed ingredient of powdered cellulose? It's not literally sawdust, nor as bad as it sounds. Cellulose is found in plants, but animals such as cats, dogs, and humans cannot digest it since we don't have the cellulase enzyme. However, that doesn't mean it's terrible if consumed. It will simply just pass through the digestive system. In fact, if you've ever sampled diet foods, you may have ingested it yourself. Since we can't digest it, it's used in some diet foods (such as Slim-Fast) to act as a "filler." It doesn't harm you, just makes you feel more full so you don't keep eating more and more.

Because this is the ball python forum and there's a seperate dog messageboard for raw food feeders, I'm not looking to start a debate on whether raw is better or not. So please, don't respond with any "This is better because of this and this.." To each his or her own.

I just wanted to offer an interesting tidbit on cellulose as well request that, just maybe, the whole controversial dog food drama not be used to randomly slap people in the face. This is the snake forum, after all!

Thanks
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0.0.1 Okeetee corn snake "Apollo"
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"Because this is the ball python forum and there's a seperate dog messageboard"
Its not the classifieds either but you were here trying to sell art commissions the other day!
A lot of us snake lovers are also dog lovers and personally I've enjoyed and learned from the posts about raw foods for dogs. After all, they are our best friends.

Actually, I was offering snake art of people's ball pythons, so that wasn't irrelevant to the forum.

If the posts you've enjoyed were actually informative, then I'm not referring to them. I'm talking about the ones that /attack/ another because of their choice of dog feed. I certainly don't mind if someone shares a few pieces of information in a casual manner, but I do find it low-class when someone says something along the lines of "You feed your dog crap! I don't, and thus am inherently better/smarter/etc." Especially when the attack is unprovoked.

It's the aggression in the attack that I dislike.
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0.0.1 Okeetee corn snake "Apollo"
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