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Babies and parents together (pumilio)?

GROSS_SENG Dec 24, 2006 01:25 AM

Hi guys,

My first trial for breeding the pumilio blue jeans has succeeded. However, i could only locate 1 froglet (thought there should be at least 3)due to dense vegetation within the tank. (Believe me, the experience is real overwhelming!!! In fact, i just found out about the froglet yesterday when i was misting the tank.)

I am quite worried whether i should separate the new born from its parents...some sites say that pumilio are not cannibalistic but i thought i should not take any chances.

Please advise.....

Excited Breeder...

Replies (4)

BryanR. Dec 24, 2006 02:49 PM

I have absolutely no experience with dart or mantella frogs, but I'll provide the following:

I was breeding some fire bellied toads a while back, and ended up with 100 tadpoles in my tank. I sperated them to a seperate tank, but at least 20 remained. Fire bellies will try to eat anything that moves and fits in their mouth. If I would have kept these remaining 20 froglets in the tank, they'd end up as food.

Even if a source says the frog isn't canabalistic, it doesn't necessarily mean it won't eat its own young by mistake. I would seperate them to be safe, unless there is a particular reason that they need to be with the parents.

GROSS_SENG Dec 25, 2006 03:15 AM

Thnaks for the advise. Will consider that..

Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you and your family.

slaytonp Dec 24, 2006 06:03 PM

It's wise to remove the babies to a nursery tank before the parents start breeding again. They aren't cannibalistic, but are very territorial, and will intimidate the little ones after a month or two. No dart frog is cannibalistic, but some species of the tadpoles are, and will kill each other if raised together. These are usually the egg eaters such as thumb nails. D. imitator tads for instance, are decidedly cannibalistic, so must be raised in separate compartments, whether by the parents or you. After they morph out, it is perfectly safe to leave them with the rest of the gang. Since pumilios are obligate egg feeders, they will place the tads appropriately, usually only one to a brome axil or whatever container you provide, and probably won't bother the baby froglets for the first few weeks, at least. I have left the froglets together in the same nursery tank for up to four months without problems. Then you can separate them and see if you can sex them and hopefully get a new breeding pair going.

Congradulations, by the way. The true Blue Jeans morph is hard to find at this time, so you're really fortunate to have a breeding pair.
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Patty
Pahsimeroi, Idaho

4 D. auratus blue
6 D. galactonotus pumpkin orange splash back
7 D. imitator
6 D. leucomelas
6 D. pumilio Bastimentos
4 D. fantasticus
6 P. terribilis mint and organe
4 D. reticulatus
4 D. castaneoticus
2 D. azureus
4 P vittatus
2 P. lugubris

GROSS_SENG Dec 25, 2006 03:22 AM

Thanks Patty.

Think I will separate the baby from its parents as i noticed oppressive behaviour from the dad to the baby.

Frankly, when i saw the froglet, I was way overwhelmed. However, i thought pumilio usually breed at least 2 at one go? I could still find only one froglet...(hehehe...a bit greedy..)

Anyways..merry christmas and a happy new year to you and your family..may all wonderful things occur for you all in 2007. (more dendrobatids juniors...hehehehehe)

Cheers

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