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What exactly is a coral albino? i know visualy what they are but what do you breed to get one?

the black pigment from the argitine is what gives the "coral" effect
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Although you may get Coral Boas from that type pairing. Many Coral Albinos are simply the result of nice colored parents that pass it off to their Albino offspring. That doesn't neccesarily make the hets het for coral but rather het for Albino with a chance of coral. Not all albinos from coral parents will be coral either.
It takes about 4 sheds of baby albinos to start to notice the ones that are coloring up, and they get better from there.
I never heard the idea that it was a result of crossing an Argentine to a Colombian.
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They are just albinos with a lot of red...their genetics work similar to how pastels work...in that it is a selectively bred trait and not a specific gene or a cross.

The Coral is an animal that Pete Kahl worked with...That produced young where some of the babies would exhibit a strong red flush (AS THEY MATURE)!!! That is the key to understand a Coral...They are not Born that way!!!

Argentines are very pink when babies!!! So naturally they would express the strong pink colors in albinos when they are babies!!! But then when Argentines mature they LOOSE the pink colors!!!! What do you think happens to the adult Argentine crosses? Yes they LOOSE the reds as well!

Buyer beware!

Corals work like a Pastel Gene...only being distributed at birth to some of the babies....Problem is you do not know which ones...so really they should only be sold as possible Corals in My opinion.....

They will get more red as they mature and by 2 or 3 years of age should have a red head...and red flush through sides although I think most would agree the red head is the key...

This is why Corals are big demand...they are not easily found and produced...
Find a huge albino with the Coral features...Nobody wants to sell!

Unless you want to produce Argentines...watch what you buy!

My 2 cents!!!

Andy Federico
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"That is the key to understand a Coral...They are not Born that way!!!"
Very true and I agree, but howmany "corals" in the classifieds are new born snakes with the coloration or only past their first shed???? 9 out of 10 maybe

"Argentines are very pink when babies!!! So naturally they would express the strong pink colors in albinos"

ok the pink the black whatever my point the coloration comes from the argentines, take a close look at the majority or "corals" in the classifieds and petes corals, if you have a good eye youll see the differance, the majority of what is offered for sale is a cross, vast majority
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*Just a random analogy* I could say "All pastel albinos have BCC bred in them, thats where they get their color. Prove me wrong". Of course im dead wrong but there's no way to know.

There are many many variations of these "coral" albinos. Do the argentine/col albinos look very "corally", sure. Does that indicate that the majority of coral albinos out there have argentine blood, of course not. And it certainly proves nothing. Its certainly possible, but I strongly doubt it. It's clear that we can obtain that color without introducing outside localities and if a breeder says his coral is colombian... and it looks colombian... it's probably colombian.

Some fun random pics:

an 04 Argentine/Colombian Albino I have since sold

An 04 Coral Sunglow (still in collection)

>>"That is the key to understand a Coral...They are not Born that way!!!"
>>Very true and I agree, but howmany "corals" in the classifieds are new born snakes with the coloration or only past their first shed???? 9 out of 10 maybe
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>>"Argentines are very pink when babies!!! So naturally they would express the strong pink colors in albinos"
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>>ok the pink the black whatever my point the coloration comes from the argentines, take a close look at the majority or "corals" in the classifieds and petes corals, if you have a good eye youll see the differance, the majority of what is offered for sale is a cross, vast majority
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>>Remain calm. Your neighborhood watch officer will be by in the morning to collect urine samples. Anyone caught interfering with the collection of urine samples WILL BE SHOT!
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but to me the first pics look exactly like the vast majority of "corals" out there 9 out of 10 in the classifieds I would guess, second pics well that looks like one from petes line, two differant planets,
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I havent been in the market to sell or buy boas in many months so I have not been paying much attention to the classifieds.

but, when I was paying close attention to them I didnt really see all that many corals for sale. The ones I did see were usually colombian looking to me, where an occasional argentine looking one would pop up.

So I dont really know... Hopefully people arent truly mis-representing on such a large scale as you have suggested.
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First being locality. I believe Pete used all colombians in his early breedings, in which the coral coloration individuals popped out.

Second being that the black transfers to color. I disagree entirely. I believe black in normals, when transfered over into albinos, turns into a high white color. Take a look at an albinos tail and notice the extreme white rings around the edge of the splotches - that is where black would have been had the individual not been slapped with the albino mutation. Look at a sunglows tail - the ring is extremely reduced or non-existant, just like the difference in the black ring in normals versus hypos.
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Ryan,

You are absolutely correct about the locality, but I have to disagree that black turns into white in an albino. I don't believe black turns into anything - it is simply removed. Whatever color was underneith the black is now exposed. If black simply turned to white, I think we would see the colorful albinos having lots of defined white speckling, just like normals have black speckling.

Matt

You could be right, Matt!
That was just the theory behind the Blizzards, but since we haven't been able to see a live blizzard, we just don't know yet.

Hey Matt

The best analogy I have to explain my stance regarding the black transfer to albinos is normal/hypo to albino/sunglow comparison.

For instance, in a sunglow litter with both albinos and sunglows. The vast majority of the time that there is any question regarding a certain individual, it is settled by looking at the tail. If there are high white borders around the edge of the tail splotches, you can be just about totally certain its an albino. Why is that? Well, compare the black tail splotch bordering in a hypo to that of a normal. The normal has a clear border, the hypo has little to none. It transfers into albinos and sunglows in the same way.

This is also the reason I believe Mark Miller's moonglow is indeed a hypo snow, because it lacks the bordering in the tail splotches which are present in snows.

You can also pick out speckling in albinos, speckling that I believe would have been black specs had the individual not been an albino.

Another contention of mine is the fact that high black het albinos almost always throw low color albinos... or at least albinos that wash way out with age. Although it could be argued that the line suffers from lack of effective selective breeding for color due to the high black (opposite of selective breeding via pastel). But find albinos that are very washed out with very little saddle contrast... then find the hets that they derived from. I would be willing to bet the saddles of those hets will have high degrees of black in them.

There is certainly genetic melanin variation amongst individuals in a litter (whether theyre affected by the albino mutation or not). I think the reason a coral popped out of one of Kahl's early breedings is because a single individual happened to get the long end of the stick in both the areas of color and reduced melanin. So out popped a weak polygenic high colored albino, which has been expanded upon ever since. This is just theory and speculation of course.
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where I have observed high white speckling, in which obviously came from the parents and were surely "speckles".

An albino arabesque I had - And most all albino arabesues I've seen.
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Yeah, that's why they were using Type II anerys to make Blizzards. They were hoping the really black anerys would make really white snows because, as you said, the black spots would theoretically make extreme white spots.
Aaron

the hypothesis that the type 2's are axanthic, or lacking yellow pigment.

Since we have wiped out blacks/browns with the amelanism gene (ie "albino" and wiped out reds with the anerythristic gene... the only thing left to wipe out is yellow. If the type twos end up lacking yellow I think we could see some nearly all white boas - keyword nearly . Even if the type 2's are not actually axanthic - I bet they will make whiter snows because of their increased black.
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Your signature-that's Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedy's correct?
What was that on?
Was it Lard or one of his spoken word albums? I can remember that with the Black Sabbath song playing in the background.
Dude, that's OLD school...
Aaron
...and I know everybody's already told you there's no argy in a coral...

its been used alot from what I understand it was an ice t song first, I got it from some vids it was the opener to megadeth 91 RIP tour,

but yes the majority of corals you see in the classfieds have argy in their blood and thats where they are getting the coral color, granted pete has his own line and true corals look NOTHING like 9 out of 10 you see in the classifieds

>>Your signature-that's Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedy's correct?
>>What was that on?
>>Was it Lard or one of his spoken word albums? I can remember that with the Black Sabbath song playing in the background.
>>Dude, that's OLD school...
>>Aaron
>>...and I know everybody's already told you there's no argy in a coral...
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produced by Pete Kahl.He was one of two people who successfully breed Albino's in captivity.The Coral (pink) coraling was evadent in some animals he was producing.Through selective breeding he enhanced the traight.Here's the link to the story...

http://www.pkreptiles.com/collection/view_details.asp?id=70000002
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Polygenic.

Like that of the color we see in pastel albinos. The only difference between coral albinos and pastel albinos being in how they were derived (inquire for explanation if needed ).

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that crazy coral sunglow i never should have sold you lol!

Nice to see you around stranger! Happy holidays!

I promise to get some updates once this coldfront rolls out. She's due for a shed anytime so it will be perfect timing. When I do another photo session with her I want to get lots of pics, so I want it to be outside where I dont have to flash her defenseless little amelenistic eyes.

I hope you had a great Christmas Mark. See you around.
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