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FL Press x2:State wants Snake Crack Down

Dec 26, 2006 08:03 PM

WESH (Winter Park, Florida) 26 December 06 State Looks To Crack Down On Large Snakes
Tallahassee, Fla: Giant snakes on the loose around the Sunshine State are prompting Florida officials to take a hard look at revamping the rules for reptiles.
Proposals include restricting sales and requiring permits for some large reptiles and even microchips for pet pythons, WESH 2 News reported.
Huge snakes have been rounded up around the state after they were dumped by owners who apparently didn’t want to deal with them any more.
Pet store owner Carol Hoover said the problem has gotten so bad that she decided to stop selling the larger reptiles. She said people just seemed to be buying them on a whim with no thought to what they're getting themselves into.
"Within a year, they could be 18 feet and really need their own room," Hoover said. "Most cages that even we carry and can get are not designed to hold a snake like that."
Legislation intended to regulate large snake sales went nowhere at the Capitol this year, so now wildlife officials are looking at statewide restrictions.
Under proposed rules, buyers would have to be at least 18 years old and have a state permit to buy pythons or anacondas, which can grow to 12 feet or more.
Capt. Linda Harrison of the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission said they also want buyers to insert microchips in the snakes.
"That way if the animal got loose, it's a means of determining the identification of who owns that animal and a means of tracing that animal back to the owner," she said.
Part of the state’s new plan includes an amnesty program where pet owners who may have bit off more than they can chew can turn in a snake that’s gotten too big -- no questions asked.
The state said it doesn't want to interfere with businesses or responsible pet owners, but state officials also don’t want giant snakes prowling the underbrush.
A final public hearing on the proposed rules is slated for February.
The next exotic pet amnesty day, where you can legally turn in an unwanted exotic pet, is scheduled for March 24 at Crest Lake Park in Clearwater.
If the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission decides to adopt the proposed reptile rules at its February meeting, the new rules would go into effect in January 2008.
The rules would apply retroactively to all owners of animals on the "reptiles of concern" list.
http://www.wesh.com/news/10611289/detail.html

ST PETERSBURG TIMES (Florida) 26 December 06 A Florida crackdown targets exotic reptiles - Invaders like the Burmese python are a threat to the ecosystem, and owners would get rules. (Craig Pittman)
It was the shot seen 'round the world.
When Everglades National Park biologist Skip Snow saw the intertwined carcasses of an alligator and a Burmese python, apparently locked in a struggle that was fatal to them both, he took a picture that wound up making global news.
That photo from September 2005 did more than stimulate watercooler discussions.
It spurred state officials to confront Florida's ongoing invasion by exotic reptiles, a problem reptile experts say first cropped up after Hurricane Andrew hit South Florida 14 years ago.
Now, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission is considering new rules that would, for the first time, require anyone who bought a "reptile of concern" to get a permit and meet certain conditions for cages. Owners also would have to implant a high-tech identification tag in snakes of more than 2 feet in diameter. That way, if it got loose state officials would know whom to hold responsible.
In addition, the wildlife commission plans in March to sponsor an "Exotic Pet Amnesty Day" in Clearwater as a way to persuade Tampa Bay area pet owners to turn in their unwanted snakes and other critters, no questions asked, instead of turning them loose in the wild.
State officials hope their efforts will mark an end to the current anything-goes trade in pythons, which can grow to more than 20 feet long.
"We can still have the reptile trade, but everyone is going to be held to a greater level of accountability," said Gene Bessette, a longtime snake dealer from the Gainesville area.
But efforts to halt the proliferation of pythons already have hit several rough spots.
A bill that would have allowed the state to charge $100 for a python permit stalled in the Legislature this year. Unless lawmakers change their minds, the proposed permits for pythons won't cost anything. That raises the question of how the state would pay for the wildlife officers who would be needed to enforce the new requirements.
The state's first attempt at an Exotic Pet Amnesty Day, held in Orlando last spring, drew only six people. They turned in a gecko, some turtles and a cockatiel - but no snakes. Part of the problem, explained the wildlife commission's Scott Hardin: "Unbeknownst to us there was a large reptile expo going on virtually next door."
Florida has been a magnet for exotic wildlife for 500 years. The Spanish explorers turned loose hogs whose feral descendants leave a path of destruction across ranches and state parks all over the state.
Now, Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Tampa are all major portals for exotic plants and wildlife that are sold across the country, Hardin said. And when anything exotic gets free, whether it's iguanas in Boca Grande or Gambian rats in the Keys, Florida's tropical climate ensures it's likely to thrive.
These days hundreds of exotics infest Florida, from feral goats to walking catfish. Starting in the 1970s, state officials began listing the species they didn't want anyone to own. And it became illegal to turn any nonnative species loose in the wild.
But that didn't stop the practice of dumping exotic wildlife in the woods, Hardin said, because it's so difficult to prosecute anyone.
"We have to be there and watch the release and then recapture the animal," said Hardin, the state's exotic species coordinator.
Big snakes have been a particular problem, he said, because they're so easy to obtain, but people who buy them on impulse often don't know what they are getting into.
"Without a permit and without signing anything, you can go buy a young Burmese python for $20," he said. "But within a year it's going to be 6 feet long and in two years it's 12 feet long, and now instead of eating mice, it's eating rabbits. And you only have $20 invested in it, so it's disposable."
Pythons were first seen slithering through the Everglades in the 1980s. But the first time it became clear how big of a problem this could be was after Hurricane Andrew hit South Florida in 1992, said Bessette, the snake dealer.
Hundreds of people who owned exotic wildlife -- not just snakes but water buffalo and monkeys -- saw their homes, cages and everything else blown away by the storm, he said. Some of the wildlife was rounded up, but many animals got away.
That alerted reptile dealers and state officials to the potential problem of having many huge snakes roaming a delicate ecosystem, Bessette said.
But no one did anything about it, he said, until Snow's photo of the gator-vs.-python encounter hit the newspapers and airwaves -- along with the news that more than 200 pythons had been captured at the national park over the previous decade.
"That spurred a lot of interest by the public in where the pythons came from," said Capt. John West of the wildlife commission.
The state convened a group that included West, Bessette, several veterinarians and wildlife rehabilitation experts, Hillsborough County's animal control director and representatives from Ringling Brothers, Disney's Animal Kingdom and the Humane Society. They came up with the proposed rules, which will be voted on by the wildlife commission in February.
Bessette said reptile dealers are willing to go along with the new rules because they want to avoid further bad publicity such as Snow's photo.
However, buyers accustomed to the state's previous laissez-faire attitude would likely find the proposed regulations revolutionary. They would have paperwork to fill out, and there would be inspectors showing up at their door to check their snakes.
When state Rep. Ralph Poppell, R-Titusville, proposed a bill this year to regulate the purchase and sale of big snakes, it sparked a rebellion among reptile collectors. They circulated a petition that said snakes aren't as big a problem as feral cats and therefore, "We do not need more laws."
The bill died in committee, leaving the wildlife commission with no way to charge for the permits and inspections that the new rules would require.
"Quite frankly we don't have the people to inspect every reptile of concern in the state," said Col. Julie Jones, who heads up the wildlife commission's law enforcement division.
So at least at first, they would not, she said. Instead, they would "inspect upon complaint." In other words, if no one reported a problem, no wildlife officer would call.
After all, she said, at this point the agency doesn't even know how many permits would be needed because "we have no idea how many of these things are out there."
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/12/26/State/A_Florida_crackdown_t.shtml

Replies (7)

orinoco Dec 26, 2006 09:56 PM

I think that I dislike the first article more. The woman that they quote though, makes me laugh. It can grow to 18 feet in a year????? Really sweetie????? Thanks for coming out...

Dont you hate the mediots who will not quote the folks who actually know what they are doing?

bps516 Dec 27, 2006 07:51 AM

it could happen... she didn't say which year... If yours is 17.95 feet next week then it could be 18 feet by the end of the year. I like the comment about most cages they carry or can get in aren't designed to hold an animal that big... So does that mean my hamster cage is defective since it can't hold my goldfish? Or should they just stop selling goldfish since wire framed cages can't hold them?
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burmmania Dec 27, 2006 10:09 AM

If you work in or own a pet store it is also YOUR JOB to inform people buying large pythons, contrictors, etc of how large they will get and care involved in keeping them. If an 8 year old girl wanted to buy a cute little burm baby in your pet store dont you think its your responsibility to politely inform her that she should look into a different first snake for a pet? I feel this is the main problem---that people are not informed while buying large reptiles. 9 out of 10 pet stores I go to in my area have absolutely no clue about care involved in their own pets that they sell! Its ridiculous. Just my .2

Brian67 Dec 28, 2006 09:22 AM

I agree, I work Part time in a pet store here in NJ. I'm not trying to brag but they had honestly no idea what they were doing with reptiles before I started. The husbandry was second rate knowledge was no where to be found. I can't really blame the workers as they were trying but still the ignoprant customers that come in with questions they should have thought about BEFORE they bought the snake, it makes my head hurt. My real goal is to open a reptiles only store by Sept of next year. I will rescue unwanteds, plus give proper info when someone wants a particular snake. Plus with it being mine, if I don't feel right about someone I don't have to sell to them.

burmmania Dec 28, 2006 12:26 PM

Eventually I also want to open a reptile only store (maybe for when I retire-just a small store) and take rescues, etc. Its also nice when you run your own store too because (as you said) you can refuse sales if you want to the young teenage kid who has the money but no clue that he should maybe really be looking at getting a "cool" ball python and not the anaconda. lol.

-ryan- Dec 28, 2006 09:21 PM

I didn't realize that other people around had similar aspirations. I would like to someday open a reptiles only shop of my own, and I think I will probably wait until I retire to do it. Think about it, it would be much less stressful to start a business when you don't have to worry about making money. I think that's probably the only way I could do it, because I would probably only specialize in the reptiles that I personally find most interesting (like tortoises). I'm probably better off just laying low as a hobbyist/breeder, but I love to sit down and try to design my store.

I think that florida is doing the right thing. They said that they don't want to interfere with responsible pet owners. My main problem with new york's new law (fairly new, at least) is that they clearly didn't care at all about ANY of the responsible reptile keepers in new york. It showed a blatant disregard for us, and lumped us in with everyone else.

Brian67 Dec 28, 2006 09:41 PM

Yeah I agree, I've wanted to do this for many years and thankfully finances are in place that it will be easier. I will mostly deal in reptiles I can "cherry pick" at shows, plus feeders, some needed supplies and info. lots of info. Heck right now I push kingsnake.com to every person who even comes in for feeders, it's amazing how many don't know about this site. Plus any rescues to big or aggrssive will have a home for life (sorta like a zoo) they won't be adopted out but will work great for educational shows. It sounds corny but if I can educate at least 1 person into not making a rash poor judgement then that's one less unwanted reptile.

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