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Whitewall/Side/leucistic...

Upscale Jan 04, 2007 05:37 PM

Just curious how close are we to producing a leucistic Brooks or eastern type king? If you follow the Ball morphs, and I don’t, they have produced blue eyed leucistics from breeding a couple of fairly colorful (Lesser, Mojave, Butter, etc) morphs together (I don’t think they even HAVE a whiteside?) and a couple other combinations (yellowbelly, Fire) to produce black eyed white snakes. They haven’t come from pied or what you would think, snakes showing some partial leucistic clue. Just the funky alignment of chromosomes, I guess. Or maybe so many pattern and color traits combined the thing gets so confused it just hooks up white... I have no clue. So what morphs can we try to combine to produce those Ivory and leucistic Brooks? Can we take any clues from the way the genetics work in Ball Pythons?

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greenmansgeckos Jan 04, 2007 11:01 PM

great post ive had some of those thoughts who knows im not a genetics expert by anymeans but a whitesided ball would be almost as cool as a luc brooks

ZFelicien Jan 05, 2007 12:18 AM

Most Ball Python mutations are Co-Dom... so combining various Co-doms can Yeild weird results... i think the only way of getting close to a leucistic looking animal in Fl kings would be to produce White-sided Snows (3x Homozygous axanthic, Lavender and WS) and follow the "ingredients that produced the "Pearl" snows... while the reg Pearl snow still show some lavender co0loration i think the WS gene would take away most of the coloring away (look at the WS hypos!) leaving you with a mostly white snake with ruby eyes.

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Nokturnel Tom Jan 06, 2007 12:32 AM

as you could hope for. Either a Lucy will appear by chance or line breeding morph combos may create something all white. I don't see it happeneing any time soon but sure would not mind if it did!
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Upscale Jan 06, 2007 06:36 AM

A snow or blizzard is not a blue or black eyed white, just a real clean albino. It is most interesting to me how it happens in Balls by combining different morphs that have, by looking at them any ways, nothing to do with the look of a white snake. I would think axanthism and anyerithism and all that probably works the same basic way across all snake types, so just trying to see how we might take clues from known paths of inheritance in Balls and apply it to our Brooks morphs to produce some of those blue and black eyed whites. I guess it is only a matter of time any way, but I’d like to see them too!

Nokturnel Tom Jan 06, 2007 10:42 AM

Those Ball Pythons, Mojaves, Lessers and Fires etc are morphs that are visual hets for Leucistic as well as being co dom to create more of them when bred to normals. We just don't have any morphs that are het leucistic in colubrids. They are wild types that look normal and produce Lucys, if there's anything like Albino het Lucy it was from a project somebody took on to make them that way. The Ball Pythons are unique, as several combos make white snakes. Tom Stevens
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