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Two girls in winter rest mode. Green is a tough color to capture on digital, at least for me. First snake looks more yellow in this shot but is really a light khaki-green snake. Second snake is a much darker green in life. First snake has produced nice yellow and green offspring previously, second one is a virgin.
Cheers,
Bob
Bob, your collection always makes me jealous. those are some nice snakes. i especially like the bottom one, she is amazing. now i am not trying to make more work for you, but i remember a while back you didnt a nice display of Ruthveni, have you ever though of doing that with your Thayeri collection, i would definatly like to see that, well anyway not trying to make more work for you
Oh by the way i am ordering my juvie rack systems tonight from Rich @reptilebasics. thanks again for the link to the site
Adam
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4.5 THAYERI
1.2 SPLENDIDA
1.3 ALTERNA
0.0.1 HOLD BACK RUNT ALBINO CORN
0.1.1 PYXIE FROG
0.0.1 MEXICAN RED KNEE
1.0 CHILEAN ROSE HAIR
Adam:
Clearly, you have your priorities in order...mexicana kings and mexicana cerveza! Nice work. I think you'll like the racks from Rich. Glad you liked these pics...however, the snakes do all the work!
cheers,
bob
Here is one of the 2005 holdback females from adult female pictured above. She is greening up nicely and is perhaps the mellowest snake here. She should be ready for action in 2008.
Cheers,
Bob
Bob,
she is stunning. They are all beautiful but she has something a little different. Put me on the list for one like her..lol... They are so addicting.
thanks for the pic's.
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Michelle 
and mad at myself. That first female looks very much like a green leonis I was given back in 1997. She had minimal head markings. An old freind was looking for any old kingsnake and I gave him/her away to him. The snake escaped and was never seen again. I'm with Michelle put me on your list for next year also.
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Vichris
Wow, that one is incredible!
I gotta ask about the use of "lampropeltis leonis". Is this a sign of things to come? Is full species status coming for leonis, and greeri in your opinion? Anything you can tell us???
Greg:
Check your email.
Bob
Bob i am serious, your collection is unreal. do you have breeding plans for this season?
Adam
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4.5 THAYERI
1.2 SPLENDIDA
1.3 ALTERNA
0.0.1 HOLD BACK RUNT ALBINO CORN
0.1.1 PYXIE FROG
0.0.1 MEXICAN RED KNEE
1.0 CHILEAN ROSE HAIR
And I can tell I'm missing something good! Where did it go, or is it just me?
Mike:
It's still there...try hitting refresh button in your browser. If that doesn't work, right click on the image icon in the post and select "view image".
Cheers,
Bob
I don't see ANY indication their is a pic with the message. I tried a different browser, a different computer...nada.
Funny thing is I see your excellent pics of the adults fine.
I guess you'll just have to send me one when you get spares...
OK Bob, I gave it one more try this morning and there it is! Very strange...
That is a great looking thayeri. I'm glad I kept looking!
Bob,
WOW!!!!!! She looks even better than her parents...not only a green leonis but, I especially like her very narrow "key holed" saddles with reduced black...
Count me in line (behind the others that have already asked) for some of the offspring...she is exceptional to say the least!
Later,
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CSRAJim
Beautiful snake Bob!!!
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Dan
www.SerpentsOnline.com
Well I'd say you captured the color very well. I've never seen these snakes in front of me but I know the colors. I set up a new system here with 8 bit LCD panels (built for color comfort, not for speed) and the greens look pretty darn accurate over here. The top snake is definitely a light khaki-green so the color reproduction and editing must be very close. Nice head shot by the way.
Did the D80 arrive yet? I've looked over all the hot new digi-cams the past couple months and the D80 would be my premiere choice for a DSLR.
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Mike
Mike:
No new camera yet, but that's okay, I can wait and I will need to buy a macro lens to do any decent herp photography. The 828 still does a really nice job (the snakes in this thread were all shot using that camera within the last week), and it offers a depth of field capability that the DSLRs won't match. I don't know that the D80 will be the end-all, but Nikon does make quality equipment and the lenses are portable to other cameras down the road. There are some killer point-and-shoot cameras coming onto the market that offer more photo power than most users will ever use or need. I think so much now hinges on one's ability to become proficient in Photoshop!
Happy New Year!
Bob
Agreed, your Sony does a terrific job and your experience with it and post processing shows very well. From what I understand that camera has always been great for a non-SLR digital.
You made the perfect point regarding Nikon having universal lenses and accessories within the brand, that coupled with nearly unmatched image quality in all categories makes it very hard to beat in it's class. I also took a hard look at the Canon G7 for a pocket sized non-SLR P&S. The only thing that I question is the removal of RAW mode for a camera of it's capability. Most P&S users would have no need or interest in processing from RAW format but I think it was a mistake removing it. Still very capable and unique for what it was intended to be I think.
I couldn't agree more that post processing and Photoshop skills are certainly key to a great finished product from digital. I'm countless hours away from where I want to be but I'm headed in that direction. Something I've put much effort into lately is researching and searching out good, affordable, true 8 bit LCD display panels with digital as opposed to analog input that reproduce color and detail accurately. I found and purchased two that measure up well without having to spend literally thousands for professional quality monitors. I think the capability of the graphics on your system and the monitors you produce your work from is every bit as important as the camera that records the image, and the shooter's skills behind both the shutter and a good editing program such as Photoshop.
Looking forward to your opinions on the D80 once you get your hands on it and.....
Happy New Year to you as well!
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Mike
...those are beauties!
Here's an old scanned photo of one of my original thayeri.
She was definitely green compared to most I see out there nowadays..
I wish I still had her. She passed a few years ago...
Should have kept more of the babies too!!
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!
Mark:
That is a neat looking snake—I think I hear the "call of the wild"! I have seen a fair number of pics of either wild-caught or early-day captive animals, and it's fair to say that many of them have a bit of a different look, if not a substantially different look compared to their more refined descendents. I'm sure yours could have made for some interesting results. Thanks for sharing.
Bob
Yeah, that's for sure. I remember quite a few thayeri and even more greeri (I think) with completely solid black blotches... I also remember saying to myself "that's an ugly snake".....
For the record, I also did not like the real deal brooksi either..tooo creamy and no pattern..... Can't find a nice one these days.
Go figure.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!
Since you mention black greeri, here is one of mine. It's a male I produced in about 1999. The parents were born in 1995 and I got them from Don Wilson of 7 Generations; they are still alive today and produced a female this year that's much like this male except her saddles are narrower and she's a lighter greenish-gray.
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Here's the father, cb 1995 Don Wilson.
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...and the mom, also cb 1995 Don Wilson. These photos are all by Peter Heimes and copyrighted but he said I could post them as long as I credited him. He is doing a book on the Snakes of Mexico and it should have many photos of wild caught Mexican snakes (icluding one of a wild caught Pueblan Milk which is just about the cleanest Pueblan I've ever seen) but some he couldn't get from the wild and for greeri he used my captive borns. I am hoping they make it in the final product. He also took alot of the photos in the book Reptiles and Amphibians of Chihuahua which is just a key but a really cool book to have none the less.
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I got Greeri at the All Ohio Show yesterday. The owner was selling her as thayeri. The giveaway was her head shape and head pattern. Plus she was a "pinkish" buckskin color that I had never seen in thayeri. I will either find her a male this season, or eventualy sell or trade her for a thayeri.
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0.1 Amelanistic Corn
1.0 Pueblan Milk
0.1 Blair's Gray Banded King
0.1 Blonde Trans Pecos Rat
1.1 Silver Trans Pecos Rat
1.0 Variable King
0.1 Durango Mtn King
0.1 Chihuahua Mtn. King
0.1 Kunasir Island Rat
0.1 Baird's Rat
0.1 White Oak Gray Rat
Aaron:
That's pretty interesting to see two rather brightly colored (i.e., plenty of red-orange dorsal pigment) adults produce a nearly bicolored hatchling. I suspect because greeri are much less common in collections than some other mexicanas, pattern variation is less well understood or at least appreciated. Thanks for sharing those pics.
Bob
Nice animals. I still see some greeri with black saddles and most are the rear half to third of the snake. Great that you have some of the "old" stock.
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!
Your Greeri are really beautiful, i think they are very under appreciated. I hope to acquire some in the near future.
thanks for sharing the pic's.
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Michelle
Love the head patterns!
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