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I have a Anrythristic honduran and have been wondering about a good breeding match. I don't realy want to have another Anery but have thought about a hypomenistic or some other color variant. But then would all the babies just end up normal phase? I have a love of giant milk snakes. Is there a law about not mixing hondurans with Andean or black milk snakes? Has anyone ever tried? I've seen a picture of a gray banded kingsnake mixed with a cornsnake in my book "Keeping and Breeding Snakes" and it looks way cool. Also is there anything I can do to raise a bigger than average milk snake other than just power feeding?
Any thoughts are appriciated, Thanks.

If you bred the anery.to a hypo. all the offspring will be normal "looking", but they will ALL be double-het (recessive gene carriers for both). for "ghost". Later on, you can line-breed the babies to each other and produce a percentage of "ghosts". Or back to one of the parents. I (and many others) would do this before mating it to just anything you have lying around, but that's your call. This debated issue comes up ALL the time, basically, I'm for keeping lines as pure as possible............Doug

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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Thanks! What color phase is the one in your picture? that's beautiful! And what if I did get another anery and mixed it with my anery? How many might come out anery and normal exc? Seems like mixing bloodlines would produce potentialy hardier snakes. If I did mix one type of milk snake with another would I even be able to sell them very easily?

If you get another anery and breed it to your anery you will produce a whole clutch of anerys no question there.There is only (so far that is)one line of anerythristics in the hobby.

Now,If you bred a anery to a hypo or to a albino or whatever other HONDURAN morph you would be outbreeding your anery and making stronger babies.
The anery,albino and hypo lines are all unrelated so its all outcrossed when mixing morphs of HONDURANS.

Please don't breed your anery hondo to anything but another hondo.There are so many hybrids in the hobby now its overwelming.
I know it can be done responsibly by the actual breeder but once they leave the breeders hands they can end up anywere.
Anyway,breed responsibly please,
Thanks Shannon

First thanks for the advise! You've been allot of help. But I was wondering what is so evil with mixing a honduran with something like an Andean when they are so closely related. They aren't to be reliesed back into the wild and seems perhaps less evil to me than breeding brothers, sisters, mother with children exc. I think I'ld rather see a mexican breed with a white guy than a sister and brother breed!!! Not that I'm against you or any one else for doing so.I'ld get a cross if I could find one but all my searches have come up empty when trying to find a mix of two giant milk snakes. Yet you say it's so common! Do you realy see one of your super morphs being reintroduced into the wild? I simply am after perhaps the same thing as many of you- something new, beautifull, differant, healthy, uniqie to have as a pet. I guess I could mix breed one for myself and feed the rest of the babies to others in my collection rather than try to sell any of them. That way none of them could be used by the wrong hands to polute pure breeds. Hum.

>>Thanks! What color phase is the one in your picture? that's beautiful! And what if I did get another anery and mixed it with my anery? How many might come out anery and normal exc? Seems like mixing bloodlines would produce potentialy hardier snakes. If I did mix one type of milk snake with another would I even be able to sell them very easily?

The one pictured in post is an "extreme" hypo(reduced pattern(thin bands),zero tipping,and greatly reduced melanin(black pigment),reduced to the point the eyes are "ruby-red" instead of black!!!.....If you mated your anery. with another anery.,you would get ALL 100% anery. offspring.......mixing "BLOODLINES" as you say, is a good practice whenever possible, but bloolines,and species/subspecies crossings are two totally different things!!!. An easy way to learn some basic genetics would be to ......do a "Google search" and type some "keywords" like "snake genetics" and the like. There will be many "hits" on the subject.....Understanding some basic genetics is a "MUST" if you plan to breed some of the morphs that are out in the market today. ........AND!!!!! I also agree with Shannon,and MANY others when it comes to "mixing and matching" different animals just for the sake of doing so.
this is a topic that will always be debated by some though......anyway,.......hope some of this helped.........Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Thank's you two I'll stick to breeding with another Honduran morph. If I breed an anery with any other morph I'd be breeding stronger babies and they would come out normal looking but might I get some small percentage of the babies comming out anery or whatever? And could I demand a higher $ for the normal LOOKING. What would be your top chouce for a match with an anery if you were to match? You guys have been a huge help! I will breed responsibly. I could see how a cross breed with another species could end up in the wrong hands down the road and Polute a pure bloodline. I'm mostly considering a hypo.

But then again I'ld realy like a honderan/Andean mix for my personal collection.

You will always get mixed feelings when talking about Hybrids.Its not very often that you will find somebody working with pure strains and also working with hybrids but there are a few out there.
I have always been on the fence when it comes to Hybrids.I don't breed or keep any (even though some are very beautiful)but I really don't care if the next guy does.I have no control over if he does or doesn't but I wouldn't buy anything from hgim/her.
Thats just my choice and I have my reasons.

Anyway,Guy Clark crossed Andeans and Hondurans to "create" what he thought would be very large,docile and easy to handle snakes that would fair well in room temps.
Well,They looked pretty much like hondurans and I did see one of his mutts in a friends collection (had passed through several hands) as a pure honduran.
Moral of what I keep saying is that the actual breeder could be as honest as the day is long but those snakes seem to change hands and if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its probably a honduran???LOL......

Also,
You could get a little more for your offspring if they were from a hypo and a anery.

Good luck in whatever you decide to breed my Friend.

Shannon

Another option would be breeding your anery to a hetero mate. If you mate with a het for anery. snake you potentially can produce normal appearing babies as well as anery babies. You will get some variety as well as potentially creating babies with multiple gene potential. Choose a hypo mate that is hetero for anery and you will produce anery and normal looking babies that are het for both hypo and anery. Raise them up and line breed them to produce other combinations. That is where all the color phases you admire originated.

I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER!!!,.........No matter how honestly a "mixed-up" snake is represented by the original breeder, eventually down the line there will be problems......It's just like the little game you played back in grade school where the teacher whispers something to the kid in the first row (and he passes it on to the next kid),.......SURPRISE!!!...by the time the "message reaches the last kid in the room, he says it was something TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!! guaranteed this happens all the time with snakes too, and will continue to happen all the time unfortunately. This is a fact that CANNOT be argued by anybody,period!!!.........hope at least a few people will think about this...............Doug

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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Man,Thats one sharp Nelsoni.
Shannon

>>Man,Thats one sharp Nelsoni.
>>Shannon

Thanks Shannon,..........you and I both know there are very few of the "REAL DEAL" in peoples collections. That pic you posted a while back was VERY nice "nelsoni"as well.......later Doug
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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

Thank's,
I've decided to get another honduran to breed. Probably a morph that's anery het but not anery collored in hopes of getting some differant collored babies, like hypo, normal, and anery. Wish me luck.