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I bought this corn 3 years ago on line from a lady in California. She had not bought it from the breeder, and did not know who had produced it, but she bought and later sold it as a ghost motley. It was so nice looking, I had to have it.
So far, I have only a single baby from it. I bred it to a butter motley male, and the baby is a normal motley with a lot of striping pattern. This year I have not decided what to breed it to, probably will breed it with one of my male Okeetees so as to not mix any other genes in with it.
Any ideas what she is, as I do not think she is just a ghost motley. thanks, Brad Lichtenhan

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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

her belly is clean. No pattern. I could get her out of her brumation chamber, but unless there is something subtle that you are particularly looking for, I can tell you it is a typical motley belly. thanks, Brad

Obviously, she doesn't have the typical motley dorsal pattern. However, there has been some speculation on the part of some breeding motley lines that the dorsal and ventral traits of motley animals are actually the results of two different genes found very close together on the DNA chain. That's why they show up together almost exclusively. But, there are a few animals with very motley dorsals with checked bellies, and white ventrals with normally patterned dorsals.

You snake there seems less motley-like on the dorsal pattern than most, but if she has the white ventral, she may well be candidate for this split phenotype others have seen. It would be very interesting to breed he to a classic motley, to see if she produces motlies or babies like herself with white bellies and normal dorsals.

As to her coloration, I would agree that she appears to be a frosted anery A. The frosteds are thought by many to be the result of some past introduction of grey rat blood, but others vehemently disagee. Regardless, that may or may not be something that concens you at all.

She's a stiking animal, regardless.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Frosted Anery
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It's not over, I'll try to do it right next time around.
-Chris Daughtry

2 corn snakes- Yink and Waldo
2 FBT's

Nice pic, where did it come from? Bayou reptiles has a pic on their site of a frosted ghost motley, and it looks VERY similar, so I think that may be a very good guess. They told me they had problems with the fertility of their frosted ghost motleys, and got rid of them, so they do not have any more. And I have sure not had much production out of this girl, that is for sure. Thanks, great picture, Brad

That came from South Mountain Reptiles.
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It's not over, I'll try to do it right next time around.
-Chris Daughtry

2 corn snakes- Yink and Waldo
2 FBT's

thanks, Brad

does it have much yellow under the chin etc.

she has a little, not much.

Brad,
As I'm sure you know, its becoming darn near impossible to tell these days with eyes alone.
It looks as bright as a silver queen, though doesn't it?
However, it could be just a ghost motley.
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Yes, I know, and I am not really looking for an answer so much as ideas, thanks, Brad

If she was mine, I'd test her for Charcoal.
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Gregg
The Corn Snake Pit

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hybrid breeders association
1.0 snow corns
1.0 albino corns
1.1 sinacorns
2.0 striped ghost corns
1.1 kenyan sand boas
1.1 mbk
1.3 ghost corns
0.1 bone white crosses
0.1 bloodred
0.1 striped albino corn
0.1 childrens python
0.1 albino nelsons
0.1 anery motley
0.1 albino banded cal king
0.1 normal corn het hypo,anery
1.0 jurassic milk
1.0 blizzard leo gecko
0.2 normal leo geckos
1.0 3 lined mud turtle

It sounds like several people are thinking that, so it is worth a try, thanks, Brad

...she were mine I'd definitely test breed her to something homozygous for Charcoal. A Charcoal Ghost (Phantom) would make for an interesting mate.

As long as Charcoals and Motleys have been around I'm surprised there aren't more Charcoal Motleys kicking around in collections. (I only ever recall seeing one Charcoal Mot, hatched out by Rich Z, a few years back.)

Keep us posted on what your breeding outcomes are with that girl there. Thanks.

BB
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Ok, good idea, thanks, Brad

I'm sorry that I can't help you with your questions but,I will say that is a beautiful snake! Jeff

Thanks Jeff, I have never seen anything like her, and right now I have golddust and butter mots, lav mots, and oustanding Okeetees, and many days I look at her and think she is the nicest of the bunch......I really hope I can figure out what she is and get some babies off of her. This is the picture that was online that attracted me to her. Thanks, Brad Lichtenhan

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Better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open mouth and remove any doubt!

what an awesome snake! I want one!

Brad:

I hope Rob/Louise see this. They have seen more blue (dilute) motlies than anyone else. I'm wondering if it's possible it's got the dilute gene. I'd love to hear what they say about it.

I do like the idea of breeding it to a charcoal for testing. Go with a blizzard or blizzard motley or stripe so you have some valuable byproducts in your breeding trials.

Good luck,

Don
www.cornsnake.NET
South Mountain Reptiles

Thanks Don, I will try to locate a male with some of those genes. I am looking forward to babies from her almost as much as I am looking forward to seeing some baby caramel motleys off this awesome female you sold me a few years ago; I love the colors on these snakes! Brad

Nice female you have there. I reeeeally like her gray ground colour and black dorsal rings.

Sadly, my male Caramel Mot didn't hold his gray ground colour. I much prefer your female's colours to my male's 'wannabe Amber' look.

Once again, nice snake you have. Overall, you have a great collection of Gutatta.

BB

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"Have you hugged your drummer today?" --- Me

BB, thanks. I think she is awesome too. I had a male, but he did not turn out like she did, so this year I am going to breed her to my ultracaramel motley male. If she is het albino, I will have some(50%) golddust motley babies off of her, and if she is not, then just a bunch of caramel motleys het ultra, and that would be totally ok with me, too. I am glad you like her, thanks, Brad Lichtenhan