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Does anyone want to guess the significan

boaphile Jan 09, 2007 10:29 AM

Does anyone want to guess the significance of this image?

This is the Red Monster Tail's water bowl. Other than the lime buildup, because our well water is very high in minerals, like I like it by the way, have any guesses why I was jumping and screaming, literally, in the isle this morning when I spotted this sight?

Here she was a couple summers ago:

This I believe is the most beautiful animal I have ever seen. I value her above everything else Boa wise I own. She makes me weak in the knees every time I look at her. So why was I so excited about this sight?
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bthacker Jan 09, 2007 10:33 AM

The water level is low.....she's gravid and sucking down water...??

reticguy2 Jan 09, 2007 10:34 AM

they drink a lot of water just prior to ovulation

boaphile Jan 09, 2007 11:51 AM

Absotively! Females get what I call "The Big Drink of Water" shortly before ovulation. I love to see that and watch for it. I make note of when it happens and most of the time, ovulation follows very soon afterward. Boas never really drink a lot of water at any one time if you keep it available at all the times. Then as they develop their egg follicles, they require a whole lot more water for those puppies. Thus, "The Big Drink of Water". I love when that happens! Here is a larger image of the scene:


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chris nicholas Jan 09, 2007 10:48 AM

LOL!

Chris Nicholas

Jeff, we may have to crown you the motley king.

boaphile Jan 09, 2007 11:54 AM

I would love to be the Motley King, but I seriously doubt that. I just hope to make them a little different and make more like the single and only Motley Hypo that has retained it's Motley pattern. That animal incidentally was produced by you Mr. Nicholas! I just hope to have a few like that one! The water? I think it makes your, or should I say, MY hair fall out!
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slithering_serpents Jan 09, 2007 10:53 AM

she's needs a new beer? : )
Ok I have no idea.
I hope it means she's making lots of healthy babies!

Good luck,
Caden
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ReptileFanatic22 Jan 09, 2007 11:35 AM

Having watched your breeding video over 2 years ago I am not sure if I am remembering this correctly, but I believe you stated in the video that when a gravid female consumes a large amount of water she will drop her young shortly after.

snakehorse Jan 09, 2007 01:29 PM

I love how you build up the suspense. do you write books? LOL. could you explain to me what you mean by motley boas losing their pattern? Personally, motleys aren't my favorite (boo hiss on me) but only because I don't like squares...I like diamonds, spots, and saddles better. LOL
Donna

boaphile Jan 09, 2007 04:12 PM

The pattern that makes Motleys look like Motleys. The strongly connecting pattern and side stripes make Motleys Motleys. Not simply a connected pattern seen in many Boas, especially those that have many saddles. Not a chain like pattern. Not a "kind of looks like" a Motley pattern. Not a Boa that has plenty of side blotches that are a bit smeary or connected lightly. The Motley has full stripes on the sides. Not blotches that are irregularly connected. The Motley is a co-dominant trait that produces supers. It is not polygenic but co-dominant. When bred with non-Motleys it produces Motleys and non-Motleys, not anything in between or normal looking.

When bred with Hypos, nearly all Hypo Motleys no longer retain the classic Motley pattern. Chris Nicholas has the only one I know to exist. I am sure he has pictures of it but for some reason he doesn't not post it near as often as I would, given the fact that it's the only one so far. Post that puppy Chris! It's a beauty!
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tibor Jan 09, 2007 04:48 PM

post the picture.lets see

boaphile Jan 09, 2007 05:53 PM

Can you imagine what these puppies are going to look like? This female below:

Who produced this red female Monster Tail Hypo last year below:

and is getting the best treatment possible from this little guy below:

I can't imagine how these Motleys might look but I can't wait to see!


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varanusaqua Jan 09, 2007 06:30 PM

Post It Please
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Red_Hydra Jan 09, 2007 06:41 PM

I saved it on my desktop the first time I saw it, I think it was around the Daytona 2006 photos came out from all the posters. One of the most beautiful boa ever, especially all the color and the creamy tones.

tibor Jan 09, 2007 08:52 PM

well not really a hypo motley...but a motley and a hypo..

chris nicholas Jan 09, 2007 10:21 PM

I have not had very much time to take really good pics, I am still trying to get me boas to breed. I have been doing everything but they just stare at me.

Chris

Red_Hydra Jan 10, 2007 01:57 AM

I am not 100% sure if its this animal or who posted it, So I do not know who to give credit too, but if this is the boa in question.......its amazing.

This photo is not mine it was posted here in Kingsnake months ago, I just can' t remember who posted it.

chris nicholas Jan 10, 2007 07:43 AM

Most of you have seen this one but, it is probably one of my favorite pics of her. Now she is 5-6 in length and amazing. By far one of my most favorite snakes, now I have to decide what to try to breed her with.

Thanks,
Chris Nicholas

PBM Jan 09, 2007 10:35 PM

Or they just plain didn't pay attention to the guidelines of the motley pattern. As you can see, 2 of them just totally ignored the full side stripes, but one seems to have atleast tried to follow the rules. I had some hypo motleys keep the pattern too, but unfortunately....they were not stillborn, but died within hours of birth. Funny the hypo motleys had more "motley" pattern than the non hypo motleys using the same male. I have a couple pics, you can make out most of the pattern, but since they are pics of dead animals, they're not the best. Now, I do have some motleys with full side stripes, laddertails, and all that jazz, but since they look like everyone elses, they're just not as interesting. In life, it's nice to have options. Oh yeah, your animals look beautiful as always Jeff. Take care

Paul

PBM Jan 09, 2007 10:41 PM

As I said, not a good pic, but the saddles did stay connected. The side striping still was not complete, but I was still surprised to see the connected saddles. As you said, so far most hypo motleys have lost this pattern. Take care

Paul

AshLopez Jan 09, 2007 09:11 PM

Hypo Jungle.That would be awesome considering how big and red her saddles are,and that would only melt them and make a red chain link or Gucci Link pattern on the babies.
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snakehorse Jan 10, 2007 05:34 PM

duh - that a motley bred to a hypomelanistic snake would "lose" the pattern since hypo means less pigment and patterns are dependent on pigment?

question for hypo/salmon breeders.

do you think that the reduced pattern/thin saddle/clean pattern on certain heterozygous (non-super) hypos is genetic? (other than the fact that it is "hypo" - I'm talking about the "quality" of smaller patterned saddles).

Because I see alot of "normal" (non super) hypos around with almost a wild-type pattern. Even sunglows. Of course, when the genes are doubled up, you have "super" hypos almost always which appear to have smaller saddles.

Do these more normal looking hypos/sunglows ever produce the more clean, reduced pattern babies? out of normal snakes. or does the reduced thinner saddles always come from a parent like with reduced/thinner saddles - selective breeding result? curious.

I guess if you wanted motleys to keep the thicker type pattern, you'd breed them to more patterned hypos, not the thin-saddled ones.

michaelburton Jan 11, 2007 12:28 AM

Did your son win that voice competition? He is Amazing!!
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