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Does it really make albinos colors brighter? And also doesnt it form alot of birth defects in the leos? Would any of you guys suggest usinf it or to stay away from it? Thanks to everyone who replies!

It doesn't make them brighter, it just makes them lighter (keeps them from having brown). Incubating geckos at low temps, like 78°-80° can lead to dark "chocolate" albinos. I have heard a lot of people say they get a lot of birth defects using trempers method. I have always just incubated for female between 82-84°, which gives bright, vivid albinos. But you need to be careful, this year I think I was around 84° most of the time and it got to 85-86 a few days, and I ended up with some unexpected males.

yea i remember your other posts. Im not going to be breeding he albinos till next year anyways. This year im going to have high yellow/tangerine and some hypo and hopefully some super hypo tangerine babies. 1 already hatched about 2 1/2 weeks ago and i just started to see my super hypo tangerine female was gravid. So wish me luck!

birth defects in the Tremper Method come from doing it wrong. I emailed Ron Tremper about it, and he says he has never had any defects. he produces so many geckos, that if it was the method, he would have tons of deformities, and having none, it cant be the method. i think the problem is people don't follow his directions, his directions say to switch the females after 14 days, and i've seen people saying they waited 20, or more days. the 14 days may be the key.
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birth defects in the Tremper Method come from doing it wrong. I emailed Ron Tremper about it, and he says he has never had any defects. he produces so many geckos, that if it was the method, he would have tons of deformities, and having none, it cant be the method. i think the problem is people don't follow his directions, his directions say to switch the females after 14 days, and i've seen people saying they waited 20, or more days. the 14 days may be the key.
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your head will collapse, but there's nothing in it, and you'll ask yourself, "where is my mind"

if you have AIM, IM me at chichandoCONrosa (i changed my SN)

Not to say that tremper is being dishonest or anything because obviously i dont know for sure but do you think he would tell you if he did have numerous birth defects?

he has no reason to hide it. i don't think he would lie. he clearly said he has never had defects.
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your head will collapse, but there's nothing in it, and you'll ask yourself, "where is my mind"

if you have AIM, IM me at chichandoCONrosa (i changed my SN)

well if he let everyone know that he had alot of birth defects then 1. people wouldnt use his method and 2. some people may be hesitent(however you spell it) about buying from him if they knew his lines had so many birth defects. But I have no idea but i think im just going to stick to the old fashioned method

i dont think he cares if people use his method or not, he makes no money off of people using it. i don't think deformities from incubation temps would stop anyone from buying, especially since i doubt he would sell the deformities. i've used the tremper method this year, as i think geckos look much better this way, and i have had no deformities yet. here is the email from Tremper:

Hi
I move them all at once.
I have not noticed any deformities. Never.
Many beginners frequent the chat rooms for various reasons.
Beginners can often have nutritional or incubation errors
that make embryos die along the way.
I have never heard of an advanced breeder making this claim.
Regards,
Ron Tremper

by moving them all at once, he is talking about how he goes from the 80 to 90 to make brownless females. he doesnt do it gradually, he makes a big jump.
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your head will collapse, but there's nothing in it, and you'll ask yourself, "where is my mind"

if you have AIM, IM me at chichandoCONrosa (i changed my SN)

Hmmm I think I recall Kelli H of HISS saying she got alot of
defects and bad hatch rate when she tried the method, and she knows her stuff, but this is just from memory...it's possible it was someone else

even being the most knowledgable person on leopard geckos in the world, you can still do the method wrong. if you wait to long to move the geckos, that could be the key. like i said earlier, ive heard many people waiting much more then 14 days to move the eggs, cos' they think that is to soon. i do not know Kelli, so i do not know if thats what she did, but it is a possibility.
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your head will collapse, but there's nothing in it, and you'll ask yourself, "where is my mind"

if you have AIM, IM me at chichandoCONrosa (i changed my SN)

i have hatched out so far this year 3 leos, 2 AFTs and 4 of my 6 Tokays using Trempers method. Leos look great, i think most people here prob seen my AFTs and im not sure if it affects the Tokays. i will continue using it and are planning a second incubator for next season. heres my latest Tremper hatchlings

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My posts and replies are my experiences only
1.2.6 Tokays
1.4.3 Leos(6 albino)
0.0.2 AFT's

nice, tangerine, and is that a jungle? the tail looks unbanded, but its really light.
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your head will collapse, but there's nothing in it, and you'll ask yourself, "where is my mind"

if you have AIM, IM me at chichandoCONrosa (i changed my SN)

Yea i was really surprised when it hatched. neither parent is Jungle and you are correct, it has a spot and then a stripe running down the tail, no bands. its a keeper
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My posts and replies are my experiences only
1.2.6 Tokays
1.4.3 Leos(6 albino)
0.0.2 AFT's

Nice tang albino on the right there! Very pretty!

That One on the right is the one Kurma got from me last week. my first leo hatchling, i miss it already.
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My posts and replies are my experiences only
1.2.6 Tokays
1.4.3 Leos(6 albino)
0.2.0 AFT's
0.2.0 Stenodactylus Petrii(Dune Geckos)

and it works great. I've only hatched 3 albinos but none of them have a deformitie from the incubation process, as well as moving my geckos after exactly the first fourteen days. I have asked Tremper about this, as well as A&M Gecko and they both say they have not seen any unusual amounts of deformities from using this method. Some people say "Well he's a big breeder, he's covering it up, he can afford to loose some babies" but then I think, with people saying what a good business man he is, why would he even risk loosing that many babies when he could make that much more money selling them, especially when he breeds such high end and expensive morphs.

As far as I'm concerned there is nothing to worry about using this method. Here's a picture of a baby that was incubated using this method at a month old. He is currently 5 months old and just as good looking, if not better now.

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Bradley Baquial

nice big guy. i think 14 days is definatly the key.
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your head will collapse, but there's nothing in it, and you'll ask yourself, "where is my mind"

if you have AIM, IM me at chichandoCONrosa (i changed my SN)

I recall talking to Kelli about it as well.

I must admit, I tried it this season and had a fairly high egg mortality rate along with 2 hatchlings with severe deformities. It doesn't appear to have affected coloration at all, in either my snow/pastel line or my normal line. I did not try it on my high end tang line, too few eggs to risk it.

One piece of secondhand information that I haven't verified- Tremper buries his eggs completely, as opposed to Albey's method. That could account for a lower rate of problems because the extra insulating layer of substrate would reduce the severity of temperature fluxations.
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Steven Beckerman
E2MacPets

I'm a bnit confued I thought it was have the eggs around 80-84 first 14 days and then 90 the rest?
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1.2.1 Leopard Geckos
Blizzard females, male albino tangerine,
and a trempor albino
Turtles
1.0.0 Common snapping turtle
0.1.0 Belize slider
0.1.0 Egyptian tortoise

thats correct, wheres the confusion come in?
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your head will collapse, but there's nothing in it, and you'll ask yourself, "where is my mind"

if you have AIM, IM me at chichandoCONrosa (i changed my SN)

O well in the other post they said you have to move them right at 14 dyas and I don't see why if it was increasing the temp?
Xavier
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1.2.1 Leopard Geckos
Blizzard females, male albino tangerine,
and a trempor albino
Turtles
1.0.0 Common snapping turtle
0.1.0 Belize slider
0.1.0 Egyptian tortoise

Kurma, I actually bumped the temp on yours you got from me at 3 1/2 weeks to be sure it was female. and u see she(hope) came out great. Im now going to use the 14 days strickly though and see what happens.
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My posts and replies are my experiences only
1.2.6 Tokays
1.4.3 Leos(6 albino)
0.2.0 AFT's
0.2.0 Stenodactylus Petrii(Dune Geckos)

Hey Jim,
Nice to knwo then it should be a female most likely thats great
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1.2.1 Leopard Geckos
Blizzard females, male albino tangerine,
and a trempor albino
Turtles
1.0.0 Common snapping turtle
0.1.0 Belize slider
0.1.0 Egyptian tortoise

Well i realy wanted females so i could keep a couple. i believe i didnt have my digi thermonitors at that point and used a regular one. a couple degrees can make a big diff so keep your fingers crossed, same for me on my Jungle.
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My posts and replies are my experiences only
1.2.6 Tokays
1.4.3 Leos(6 albino)
0.2.0 AFT's
0.2.0 Stenodactylus Petrii(Dune Geckos)